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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 6, 2010 20:37:42 GMT 12
Does anyone happen to have a list of airmen who were on the intake course at Harewood which began around the 8th of November 1940?
This was an initial intake course but the airmen were all engineers and it seems most if not all went on to Rongotai after that - beginning their trade course on the 12th of December 1940.
I know that three chaps from this course were Jim Ross (of Cambridge and Norm Todd and C. Manley Walsh who both later moved to Cambridge.
I believe there was also a chap called Peach, perhaps another cambridge man called V. Pitman, and a Len Perry.
I'd like to get the full course list if possible. After the Rongotai course many of these guys went to Harewood to help form No. 3 (GR) Squadron, including Jim Ross, Norm Todd and Peach.
Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks.
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Post by errolmartyn on Jul 7, 2010 23:20:02 GMT 12
Dave,
The 119 enlistments at Harewood on 8 Nov 40 were:
In order of service number, surname, initials, given names, trade
NZ 404192 Adams, B N Bernard Neil - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404264 Ashwell, W B William Blythe - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404194 Avery, F T Frederick Thomas - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404195 Avery, M J Mervyn John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404196 Barron, A S Alexander Stirling - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404197 Bartlett, W A William Ashley - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404198 Bentley, A J Alexander James - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404199 Bett, J J John James - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404200 Bishop, C J Cecil John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404201 Blair, A W Alexander Will - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404202 Blakeway, A J Austin John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404265 Blomfield, T L Trevor Lyall - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404203 Bollard, J John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404204 Bolton, H E Henry Edward - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404266 Boyd, E B Elliot Bruce - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404205 Boyle, A J Alfred John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404296 Bremner, N L Noel Leavain - as Aircrafthand GD
NZ 404206 Bruce, K R Keith Ryalls - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404207 Buckland, L V Leslie Victor - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404267 Burgess, R E Raymond Edgar - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404210 Carter, K P Kenneth Peter - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404165 Carthew, L M Lewis Max - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404166 Chandler, G P Geoffrey Phillip - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404297 Cheesman, A C Albert Cyril - as Aircrafthand GD
NZ 404268 Cleverly, H J V Harry John Victor - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404211 Cooper, G W George William - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404269 Corbett, G J Gordon John - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404212 Coulston, R H Ralph Harry - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404213 Coulter, D Douglas - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404270 Curtin, H Herbert - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404215 Dale, R C V Robert Charles Victor - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404216 Dinsdale, C S Charles Scott - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404271 Doherty, D D Douglas Dunraven - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404167 Donovan, P R Philip Roderick - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404272 Dovell, W J Walter John - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404168 Drew, R Rendel - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404169 Elliottyson, J Jack - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404217 Fairley, G R George Robert - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404170 Farquharson, C F Charles Frederick - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404171 Fleming, D R David Ralph - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404218 Fletcher, H C Herbert Charles - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404219 Fox, J N John Norman - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404220 Fugle, G Geoffrey - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404221 Fullerton, W A William Andrew - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404222 Gascoigne, J K James Kimberley - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404224 Gould, J E K John Ernest Kahu - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404184 Griffin, I T Ira Thomas - as Instrument Repairer
NZ 404225 Hall, J W John William - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404226 Hamilton, C L Colin Lynn - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404172 Hansen, I P Ivan Peter - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404227 Harkin, A F Albert Fredrick - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404274 Harkness, B M Bertram Mungo - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404228 Harrison, K Kenneth - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404229 Hawkins, S J Stanier John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404230 Hay, P S Peter Seton - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404231 Heyworth, R Ronald - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404232 Holloway, J H John Hallam - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404233 Holmes, R J Richard James - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404234 Holtom, A E W Arthur Ernest Wincot - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404275 Hood, H B Harold Burwood - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404235 Hughes, M O Meredith Owen - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404236 Hutchinson, H B Henry Balfour - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404173 Ingram, R C Robert Claude - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404174 Kemp, G R Gordon Richard - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404185 Lanigan, J W John William - as Instrument Repairer
NZ 404238 Laurie, R G Ronald Guy - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404239 Laxton, W B Walter Bertram - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404240 Lee, L G Leonard George - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404243 Mahood, R W Robert William - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404175 Manisty, D G Desmond George - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404244 Manson, J W James William - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404245 Martin, A F Alfred Francis - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404276 Martin, W A William Alexander - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404246 Mayer, F W Frederick Walter - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404241 McConnochie, R N Roy Noel - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404242 McFeeters, D J Douglas Joseph - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404178 McWha, D David - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404247 Mercer, A R Arthur Roland - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404249 Miller, F J A Francis John Anthony - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404248 Miller, F W Frederick William - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404277 Miller, M H Maurice Henry - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404176 Millward, H P Hugh Pilkington - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404250 Monigatti, C W T Cecil William Tell - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404177 Mooar, C W Carrell William - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404251 Moore, H S B Hugh Spencer Bryan - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404252 Morriss, A R Arthur Roy - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404179 Nation, T J Trevor James - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404253 Nicholls, L F Laurence Fletcher - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404278 O'Brien, E Eric - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404254 Panckhurst, S H Selwyn Henry - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404255 Peach, J C John Crew - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404280 Pendleton, S Sidney - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404256 Perry, L V Leonard Valentine - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404257 Pitman, V Victor - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404816 Power, G A C George Augustus Cheshire - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404307 Prebble, C G Charles George - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404281 Rattray, G E George Ernest - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404282 Reakes, G C George Charles - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404288 Richardson, D O Douglas Oswald - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404180 Rippon, N A Norman Alfred - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404289 Robinson, T A Thomas Agnew - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404290 Ross, J D James Douglas - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404283 Rowe, D H Douglas Hamilton - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404279 Salt, H G Henry George - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404182 Sando, R J Ronald John - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404291 Smallfield, P E Philip Edgar - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404284 Smith, G George - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404292 Stent, B W S Brian Warend Shennan - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404285 Stockwell, E T Edwin Thomas - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404293 Stowell, P V Percy Verdun - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404258 Todd, N E Norman Edward - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404286 Underwood, V M Vernon Montieth - as Fitter Armourer
NZ 404303 Wakeham, D N David Napier - as Aircrafthand GD
NZ 404183 Walker, F P Frederick Percival - as Wireless Operator
NZ 404260 Walker, W G J Wilfred George John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404261 Walsh, C M Charles Manly - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404262 Warren, R J Richard John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404263 Warrington, R J Roland John - as Flight Mechanic
NZ 404287 Watson, W G Wilfred Gordon - as Fitter Armourer
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 8, 2010 1:00:29 GMT 12
Superb, thanks very much for that Errol. It's much appreciated.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 8, 2010 2:08:40 GMT 12
Interestingly, from that list Jim Ross, Victor Pitman and Arthur "Digger" Morriss were all from Cambridge, and Norm Todd and Manley Walsh both moved here after the war. I wonder if there are any other Cambridge connections.
Jim and Norm served on No. 3 GR Squadron as Flight Mechancs before both becoming Flight Engineers on 5 FB Sqn Catalinas. Digger served on No. 1 GR Squadron and then No. 40 Squadron and the Pacific Ferry Command. Manley from memory went to Wigram and then up to the islands servicing Corsairs. I don't know what Victor did at all. Thanks to this list I have finally discovered his first name after searching for the last four years or so.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 13, 2010 15:31:48 GMT 12
Interestingly, in the Cambridge Independent newspaper's "YEARS AGO TWENTY FIVE" history column from sometime in November 1965, it stated that J.D. Ross, V. Pitman and R.A. Pearce all reported to Harewood to begin training as Flight Mechanics.
It was this article that first alerted me to the fact that someone called Pitman from Cambridge had served in the RNZAF.
The R.A. Pearse was Robert Arthur Pearce NZ404795. It seems however that Bob Pearce was not on this course and from his service number indeed joined later. I wonder where the paper got his name from, was he perhaps called up and then delayed in joining. Not a biggie, it's just a curious thing.
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Post by baz62 on Jul 13, 2010 18:13:42 GMT 12
Something to look for regarding names (and not just Service records) is the name Todd. If someone asks me my name they write down Barry Todd. But my last name is actually Tod. This has caused a few problems historically but for me when I see a Todd I wonder if he was actually a Tod! ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 13, 2010 19:00:07 GMT 12
In the case of Norm, I know him personally and he is definately Todd. He and Jim Ross founded a famous company in Cmabridge called Ross Todd Motors which went from 1946 till last year when it was bought out. He's also the father of another famous Cambridge person, Mark Todd.
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Post by shorty on Jul 13, 2010 22:08:39 GMT 12
Here is another course photo with a question attached. It is a course my father was on and all the names are on the back, however silverfish have eaten off the name of the guy at the top left and, more importantly, they have also eate the area where my father had written the course name. The photo was taken outside the Ration Store at Harewood on 27-3-41. They all appear to be AC2s except for the chap with big ears in the middle of the bottom row who is an LAC with medal ribbons. Does anyone know what course it was?  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 13, 2010 22:19:14 GMT 12
Shorty, was your father a Flight Mechanic or a Fitter Armourer?
Would you mind posting a scan of the other side so we can see the names please?
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Post by shorty on Jul 13, 2010 22:38:11 GMT 12
Dave, he became a rigger eventually so I presume that initially they were called Flight Mechanics? Later I'll see if I can find any photos of his Rongotai courses but it's all packed away at present  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 13, 2010 23:12:21 GMT 12
Thanks Nev. So it looks like we have:
Back Row
1: ??
2: I. Morris
3: K.G. Mackey
4: Willis
5: H.A. McIlroy
6: C.A. McCarthy
7: Bigglelow
8: Johnson A.
9: M.A. McNaughton
10: Frank Ridgeway
Centre Row
1: A.H. Mines
2: M.J. Walters
3: J.L. McNaughton
4: E.J.S. Spencer
5: J.R. Stewart
6: H. Crawford
8: Pennington
7: Lonsdale
9: Small
10: D.B. Stevens
Front Row
1: C.S. Tarr
2: F.J. McQuillard
3: E.F. Murray
4: ??
5: J. Strickland MMC
6: Jetstaff
7: J.G. Wallace
8: G. Kemp
9: F.G. Watson
I'm not sure if I have them all strictly right but it gives some idea of the course. None of those names jump out at me at all I'm afraid so I doubt I have anything more to add. Over to Errol, I think.
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Post by shorty on Jul 14, 2010 8:34:26 GMT 12
Having looked at the original signatures there are a couple of minor adjustments
Back row, 3 Mackey is probably H.G., 7, Bigglelow may be Sigglehow or Sigglekow
Middle Row 10, Stevens may be Stevenson
Front Row $ seems to have a O and X in it (Oxef**ing?), 5 Abbreviation after Strickland is LAC, 6 looks moe like Jetzlaff
Always difficult with the ones that are signatures, the ones without initials seem to have been written by Dad.
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Post by errolmartyn on Jul 14, 2010 21:30:41 GMT 12
[quote author=admin board=Wartime thread=Interestingly, in the Cambridge Independent newspaper's "YEARS AGO TWENTY FIVE" history column from sometime in November 1965, it stated that J.D. Ross, V. Pitman and R.A. Pearce all reported to Harewood to begin training as Flight Mechanics.
It was this article that first alerted me to the fact that someone called Pitman from Cambridge had served in the RNZAF.
The R.A. Pearse was Robert Arthur Pearce NZ404795. It seems however that Bob Pearce was not on this course and from his service number indeed joined later. I wonder where the paper got his name from, was he perhaps called up and then delayed in joining. Not a biggie, it's just a curious thing. [/quote]
Dave,
NZ404795 Robert Arthur Pearce enlisted at Harewood as a Flight Rigger on 22 Nov 40.
Errol
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Post by errolmartyn on Jul 14, 2010 21:45:33 GMT 12
Flight Riggers enlisted at Harewood on 7 March 1941:
NZ 411665 Anderson, A G Alexander Gordon
NZ 411666 Cameron, C Colin
NZ 411667 Churchouse, N C Noel Charles
NZ 411668 Collins, D M Donald McKinnon
NZ 411669 Cook, P G Peter Gaydon
NZ 411670 Coulter, A J Arthur James
NZ 411671 Dunn, A G S Andrew George Salmond
NZ 411672 Ferguson, I M Ivan Magnas
NZ 411673 Fowler, N L Noel Louis
NZ 411674 Harrison, F A Frederick Arthur
NZ 411675 Hopcroft, N F Norman Francis
NZ 411676 Hyde, G T J Geoffrey Thomas Joseph
NZ 411677 Johnson, A N Alick Nicolle
NZ 411678 Kemp, G George
NZ 411679 Lonsdale, M V Maurice Vincent
NZ 411685 Mackey, K G Keith George
NZ 411680 McCarthy, C A Clarence Alexander
NZ 411681 McIlroy, H A Herbert Alexander
NZ 411682 McNaughton, J C Jack Carlisle
NZ 411683 McNaughton, M A Maxwell Alexander
NZ 411684 McQuillan, F J Francis John
NZ 411686 Mines, A H Andrew Hedley
NZ 411687 Morris, N J Norman Joseph
NZ 411688 Oxspring, J John
NZ 411689 Pemberton, J I John Ivan
NZ 411690 Ridgway, F Frank
NZ 411691 Sigglekow, L H Leonard Harry
NZ 411692 Small, E C Ernest Charles
NZ 411693 Smythe, G M George Malcolm
NZ 411694 Spencer, E T S Edwin Thomas Stephen
NZ 411695 Stevenson, D B Donald Booth
NZ 411697 Tetzlaff, I C Ivan Charles
NZ 411698 Usherwood, J A Jack Andew
NZ 411699 Wallace, J G John Gordon
NZ 411700 Watson, F G Francis
NZ 411701 Wellsford, K D Kenneth Douglas
NZ 411703 Willis, M E Maurice Ernest
Errol
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 14, 2010 22:10:20 GMT 12
Brilliant stuff, thanks once again Errol.
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Post by shorty on Jul 15, 2010 9:50:32 GMT 12
Many thanks Errol, that's filled another gap in my knowledge of my Dad's service history.
Wouldn't happen to know the course number and name would you?
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Post by errolmartyn on Jul 15, 2010 11:16:19 GMT 12
Many thanks Errol, that's filled another gap in my knowledge of my Dad's service history. Wouldn't happen to know the course number and name would you? No, unable to help on this, sorry. Errol |
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Post by angelsonefive on Jul 23, 2010 0:14:39 GMT 12
An interesting fellow is Ivan Tetzlaff.
According to Errol's list he joined up on 7/3/41 and not quite 3 weeks later he appears in a course photo with rank on his sleeve and what appears to be medal ribbons on his tunic.
The name rings a faint bell with me, but I cannot think of the connection..
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Post by errolmartyn on Jul 23, 2010 12:38:42 GMT 12
Not sure that it helps, but Ivan was born 1 Nov 1917.
Errol
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Post by angelsonefive on Jul 24, 2010 9:47:02 GMT 12
Thanks Errol, but I now see to my embarrassment that I can't count.. Ivan Tetzlaff is number 6 in the front row and not no.5 as I thought. No.5 will be the nco in charge (I guess ) of the Course, LAC Strickland.  |
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