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Post by steve on Feb 15, 2007 19:35:42 GMT 12
Many years ago in research of airplane crashes in WW2 i found a large file on a Armore based corasair that made a belly landing in the piako swamp (spelling prob wrong) in the Hauraki Plains of Highway 27 from memory. One letter was asking the minister of defence for slavage rights and another stated the access was to difficult. Apparently the corsair was fully intact and the pilot was uninjured. Does anyone know if the aircraft was recoved over the years or is it still there in the midddle of a large swamp. I find the swamp some 2 years ago and access is ceratinly difficuut..
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 15, 2007 19:55:05 GMT 12
Steve, I moved this into postwar rather than prewar RNZAF, as you're talking about the salvage postwar.
I assume this aircraft was NZ5320.
adf.serials says (quoting portions only): "To Corsair Conversion Flight, Ardmore by August 1944.
Force landed in swamp at Piako at 0930 hours on 28 September 1944 after collision with Willow tree knocked out ignition leads, causing engine failure.
Pilot Officer Peter Shephard uninjured.
Written off books at Hamilton. Some parts salvaged and salvage rights to remainder of aircraft were granted to J. Regan, Lower Hutt on 30 July 1971 to assist in reconstruction of another aircraft."
So I guess John Regan is the man to ask. Where is he these days?
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Post by phil on Feb 16, 2007 8:51:21 GMT 12
I'll ask Tim Jordan about this, he's researched and found a large number of Air force crash sites, he may know more about it from his research at the national archives.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Feb 16, 2007 9:09:36 GMT 12
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Post by stingray on Nov 6, 2007 14:56:22 GMT 12
Right, answers to this myth. Called John Regan today. He spent a lot of time searching & re-searching for this aircraft, including archives. The pilot did not hit a willow tree, he was at low level and suffered a prop strike. John's brother apparently searched alongside him and found a wing being used as part of a fence/gate.
No more of this aircraft was found. John searched the site which was difficult to access and no sign of the aircraft was found other than the wing at the reported sight, which itself was difficult to access.
Hope this puts some minds at ease if any were still searching. John has owned other warbird aircraft and is a respectable source.
Ryan
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Post by fletcherfu24 on Nov 6, 2007 15:16:26 GMT 12
A couple of old time locals told me the wreck was very popular at the time as it full of hard to get fuel,which the locals duly removed.If it was in the Patetonga swamp any length of time you have to think it sank under the swamp,or the locals removed it for scrap over time.
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Post by smithy on Nov 6, 2007 23:32:03 GMT 12
I love this story. I think most of us here like these stories of finding an old gem in a barn, and I personally would love to think that there's a Corsair at the bottom of a swamp just waiting to be found. Here's hoping one day maybe the legend will be proven true.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 7, 2007 10:27:12 GMT 12
Great info Ryan, thanks for chasing that up.
It would be great if Mr Regan could join the forum, I'd bet he has loads of great stories.
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Post by stingray on Nov 7, 2007 21:05:23 GMT 12
I agree 100% smithy,but sadly with no funds and a general lack of ambition around my house, i had to make sure i couldnt get it out. Good luck to all who may try still. It would be great if he could join, check out 'Classic Warbirds', a book he co wrote. Great pictures and info. Off to pursue other commitments now. Ryan
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Post by teal on Oct 16, 2008 21:38:36 GMT 12
I talked to one the local that was 12 years old at the time. He remembers the air force using the swamp area as a training area primarily for low level dog flights. This was quite fascinating for the local to see and hear these aircrafts playing war games in there back yard.
He said that he remembered when NZ5320 crashing when the prop hit a willow tree, stating that the pilot was a experienced pilot having flown in the Pacific.
Due to the remoteness and inaccessible of the crash site , they were using flares from the air for the rescue party on the ground (and on the river ) to try and locate the pilot but apparently this (the flares) nearly burnt him alive.
The military came to recover the aircraft, having set up a base camp near the crash site, they cannibalizing as much of the Corsair as they could. He believe that there everything was taken away c..and that the area was prone to heavy flooding.
I am waiting to get some feed back from a couple of locals that actually saw the crashed aircraft.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 16, 2008 22:10:33 GMT 12
My uncle told me on the weekend that for a period in the war he and Dad were banned from biking to school and to scout meetings, etc because so many aircraft were crashing in the Ardmore area and there was a genuine fear that kids on bikes would be hit on the road. It sounds far-fetched but I know that Dad, Nana and Uncle Allen have all told me seperately about the various crashes of Corsairs and Kittyhawks on their farm (across the road from the aerodrome and at the end of the main runway!). People these days just don't believe it, but they had several aircraft end up in their paddocks due to overshoots, one of whom tied to get out as he slid along on his [aircraft's] belly, opened the cockpit and then hit a stump and the canopy slammed shut and cut his hands off. One another grandad pulled a guy from a burning aircraft - now I've tried to research this and have found other farmers and locals did similar things too, and were awarded medals like the George Cross. He wasn't. I don't know why. Dad said the fire engines would scream across the airfield over the drains and strait through the wire fences chopping the No. 8 wire as it went with wire choppers in the front. He said then the ambulance and then the recovery vehicles, and he reckoned within 20 minutes usually the aeroplane would be on the back of a truck and gone and airmen would be fixing the fences and filling divets, and after a half hour it was back to normal usually.
Dad also said after the war, well after, like late 1940's, the army from papakura were crashing around some big swampy fields near the Papakura base that were covered in thick gorse and they were in bren carriers knocking it all down. He said they came across a perfectly good Corsair that had lain there since the war because it bellied in, the pilot walked out and the recovery vehicles couldn't get in to it. Someone removed the guns and ammo and it sat there till the army re-found it later. I think he said they blew it up and carried the bits out (typical army mentality!). Those swamps are all homes now so it's ain't still there sadly.
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Post by teal on Oct 17, 2008 2:48:21 GMT 12
I did remember seeing a article in the NZ Wings magazine around 10 years ago about NZ 5320.
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Post by shorty on Oct 17, 2008 9:45:26 GMT 12
It seems to me, after reading this thread, that things are pretty confused. Either the informants are (a) Telling porkies, (b) embellishing their memories (c) mixing different stories, (d) confused or finally (e) there was more than one intact crashed Corsair left littering the South Auckland/North Waikato landscape.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Oct 17, 2008 17:03:14 GMT 12
Someone removed the guns and ammo and it sat there till the army re-found it later. I think he said they blew it up and carried the bits out (typical army mentality!). If people will leave them lying around then they must expect others to tidy up - its called battlefield clearance Paul
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 18, 2008 21:06:26 GMT 12
Shorty, which bits don't you believe?
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Post by shorty on Oct 18, 2008 21:17:00 GMT 12
I didn't say I didn't believe it. It's just that there are two very similar stories but perhaps differing locations. In fact, if both stories are true (and the swamp one has photographically confirmed) the there must have been another one. I can't track it down from the fate lists and perhaps stories get confused. I know that some of the stories I heard from my Dad and his mates I proved to be either wrong, or made from an amalgam of several incidents (He didn't know his son was going to be on Mastermind!!) I have learnt over the years to be very sceptical until definite verifiable facts can be ascertained.
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Post by corsair67 on Oct 19, 2008 0:34:05 GMT 12
Slightly off topic, but don't forget that there is also an F4U-1 (NZ5517) and an F4U-1D (NZ5542?) that both went missing in NZ during the war - and are still unaccounted for. Although my guess is that it's likely that both of those aircraft ended up in the sea somewhere. I recall sometime during the late-70s - early-80s a bloke found a piece of wreckage in a river somewhere on the West Coast, which he reckoned came from NZ5517, and if I recall correctly the RNZAF was going to have a close look at the piece of metal he found to see if they could identify it. Of course, nothing ever came of this...............and I believe it may have in fact been identified as wreckage from a Hillier helicopter that had crashed nearby in the early-70s? There have also been reports of people having seen what appeared to be sunlight reflecting off metal on a mountainside up around Buller, but I don't think anyone has ever managed to pinpoint the exact location. I think one person believed it could be coming from Hood and Moncrieff's aircraft - but now I'm really wandering off topic...... By the way, isn't there a piece about P.O. Shepherd's incident in either Bryan Cox's "Pacific Scrapbook" or Alex Horn's "Wings Over the Pacific"?
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Post by teal on Oct 19, 2008 6:43:07 GMT 12
Corsair67 think the NZ5542 ? you might be referring to isc.. NZ 5544 Departed from Ardmore on night flying practice at 2130 on 15 April 1945 but was recalled due to the weather conditions deteriorating. The aircraft radioed for permission to rejoin the circuit but was not heard from again. No trace of the aircraft or pilot has ever been found. Flight Sergeant Sefton Ferrick missing presumed killed. Written off on 30 April 1945.
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Post by shorty on Oct 19, 2008 8:53:57 GMT 12
I have a copy of "Wreckage Case Study NZ5517" from the RNZAF Flight Safety Officer which runs out to 10 pages and includes copies of affadavits , Police reports and a copy of the report from the Senior Flying Control Officer, Rongotai to Air Department on the search. They should covered a lot of territory and makes interesting reading. Most of the searching was done by a DH-89B which spent 8 hours and 35 minutes over the search area over two days (27th and 28th November) . What does confuse me is that this memo is dated 7 Dec 1945. Unless it was a typo and should have been 1944 which would make much more sense.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 19, 2008 10:11:28 GMT 12
When Dad described the piece of land where the Corsair was found near Papakura in the late 1940's or early 1950's (the family moved to Cambridge from Ardmore in 1952) he was pretty specific about where it came down and I have no reason to suspect that he got the facts wrong with this particular story.
Let's face facts, it wasn't 'missing', it was known about, the pilot survived and walked away. It was just unrecovered in wartime due to the high and thick gorse. The army found it and recovered it with their own methods, probably as an exercise.
In fact the only time I ever doubted Dad over his Ardmore stories was when he told me of the yellow striped Hudson. This forum has finally proven he was right.
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