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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #3 Today at 3:58pm »
I do agree with having manned aircraft but Just in the context of Afghanistan they would be handy! In truth i would rather see the RNZAF have more helicopters!! It annoys me that the Skyhawk deal is likely to fail with 155 million the Gov could double the order of A109 LUH's!! the current package was 139.26 million!!
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #6 Today at 1:44pm »
I still think UAVs are over-rated and over-stated. Capability is nowhere near as good as the computer generated glossies suggest and using them for surveillance is like viewing the world through a straw.
Army people like them because it makes them feel as though they have more control, and they think their private soldier operators are just like pilots because they have played computer games in their youths. The truth is that they are being sold a pup by the vendors. The problem is all you can do with a UAV are a few set piece manoeuvres, and they really offer none of the dynamics a real aeroplane can give.
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #7 Today at 1:26pm »
The army want UAV's in Afghanistan but they have just been denied them....... Are they ready to be deployed yet or is the Hawk still under development. The white paper may get the RNZAF some UAV's
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Re: Ohakea and Whenuapai's concrete hangars « Result #8 Today at 11:23am »
I find the fact that the government bought the land at Ohakea originally to set up an airship base the most amazing bit of history. Imagine trying to dock an airship in the wind there.
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Re: Ohakea and Whenuapai's concrete hangars « Result #10 Today at 10:19am »
I believe a "tramway" was built to carry materials from the main truck line to Ohakea during the construction. I have some info at home so will dig it out tonight.
No 2 Hanger at Ohakea has a plaque on it from the Institute of Professional Engineers of NZ (IPENZ) which recognises these hangers as a NZ engineering masterpiece. It took the entire concrete production of NZ to build Ohakea and Whenuapai as just about all the buildings and runways/taxiways were constructed from hand poured concrete. At the time reinforced concrete was a very new construction material in NZ. It is amazing that all these structures, built in such a hurry as the war came to NZ's doorstep, have stood the test of time.
For those interested here are tentative plans for a book on the history of Ohakea. Much of the research has already been done and written up by the late Bill Taylor. The early history is fascinating reading.
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Re: Couple pass Omaka milestone « Result #14 Today at 12:09am »
Congratulations to the Omaka Aviation Heritage Centre for passing this milestone. It is great to hear so many of the visitors have been New Zealanders, as there's a lot of our own history in the centre.
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Couple pass Omaka milestone « Result #15 Today at 12:08am »
Couple pass Omaka milestone The Marlborough Express Last updated 12:35 27/08/2010
Pleasant surprises came in twos for a Motueka couple driving through Blenheim yesterday.
Nathan Howes and Jess Tegroen were passing through Blenheim at the end of their holiday journey around the South Island when they decided to have a look at the Omaka Aviation Heritage Centre.
Mr Howes said it was their first visit to the centre. "It was spur of the moment; driving past we saw the sign and thought `why not?"'
Their chance visit cracked the 100,000 visitor milestone for the centre and they got a bottle of bubbly as reward, along with a gift basket.
The displays were well created and interesting, and he would recommend the centre to others, said Mr Howes.
The wine was nice, but they would have enjoyed themselves anyway, he said.
Omaka Aviation Heritage Centre chief executive Jane Orphan said she was thrilled the centre had clocked up so many visitors since it opened in December 2006. Most visitors like Mr Howes and Ms Tegroen came from around New Zealand, Mrs Orphan said.
The centre was cutting the entry price for people within the Marlborough District Council boundaries to encourage more locals to see what was on their doorstep, she said.
"People come from the opposite ends of the world to come and see how amazing it is, yet many local people still haven't seen it. It's something they should share."
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Trade hopes take flight Argentinian group visits « Result #16 Yesterday at 11:52pm »
Trade hopes take flight Argentinian group visits By FELICITY WOLFE - Waikato Times Last updated 13:45 24/08/2010
Waikato businesses were given the chance to talk trade with an Argentinian delegation in Hamilton yesterday, some companies already making in-roads into South America.
Headed by Argentinian Minister of Industry Debora Giorgi, the trade mission of about 90 ministry officials and Argentinian business people came to Hamilton to create new trade, Opportunity Hamilton business development manager Sandy Turner said.
Members of the delegation held trade talks with several Waikato agricultural machinery and technology businesses at Innovation Park. The outcomes of those talks will be monitored by Opportunity Hamilton which will then report on regional benefits.
The mission ran out of time to visit Hamilton-based aircraft manufacturer Pacific Aerospace but spokesman Todd Stephenson said the company was already gaining traction in South America with its first sale to the continent nearly completed.
A Mexican company has bought a US$1.8 million (NZ$2.5m) P-750 XSTOL 10-seat, turbine-powered aircraft after Pacific Aerospace launched an ambitious marketing campaign, in which one of the aircraft flew from Hamilton to Alaska, then down the length of the Americas to Chile.
He said the Latin American market would be a good one for the aircraft, particularly in the passenger and freight configuration.
"We were at an airshow in Sao Paulo two weeks ago where we ran our video and there was a great response to what the aircraft can do and they saw it as being ideal for Brazil and in particular in the Amazon basin," Mr Stephenson said.
He was disappointed the trade delegation did not visit but said Pacific Aerospace regularly had visits from potential buyers from around the world.
Mrs Turner said the trade mission was likely to be the first of many between Hamilton and Argentina with hopes the next will be focused around the dairy industry.
As an emerging agricultural giant, Argentinian businesses are very interested in the opportunities offered by Hamilton's agri-business and machinery sector, Mrs Turner said. She said there were plenty of opportunities for New Zealand companies in Argentina as well and yesterday's talks had been about a two-way trade relationship.
"Once they realised it was win, win there was huge support for the event by Hamilton businesses," she said.
An air force adventure VIV TROUNSON - Dargaville News Last updated 05:00 01/09/2010.
HIGH flyer Rosanne Crawford has her sights set on a career in the air force.
And she's already part way there after completing an international air cadet exchange scheme in the United Kingdom.
Roseanne is one of the two New Zealanders who've just returned home after taking part in the 19-day scheme.
The 20-year-old has spent five years in Dargaville's 57 ATC squadron, rising to the rank of under-officer and receiving a number of awards including a memorial leadership trophy in 2009.
"I've loved planes since I was given a flight on my fifth birthday and have dreamed about joining the air force," she says.
Her ambitions got a boost during a 10-day flying course in 2008 and she has chalked up 15 and a half hours air time.
Roseanne was chosen for the United Kingdom exchange on her commander's recommendation.
She had to raise about $2000 with help from service clubs and her Methodist church.
The trip has left her with some wonderful memories and two overriding impressions.
"How tiny our air force is by comparison and the great sense of history over there. It gets to you and you want to see more and more."
Rosanne got a close look at the three air force bases she lived on including Fort Blockhouse at Portsmouth – "a former naval base where it was a funny feeling to be surrounded by ships instead of planes".
Special features included an air show with the aerobatic Red Arrows, visiting aviation museums and a communications centre handling Royal Air Force communications worldwide.
There were also flights in powered and nonpowered Viking gliders in which Roseanne took over the controls.
"It feels a bit strange with no engine but it's wonderful up there with just the sound of the wind."
Tourist activity included the must-see changing of the guard at Buckingham Palace. The cadets were given special treatment and taken through the gates and up to the palace's front door.
"The guardsmen talked to us and I'm sure I saw Charles through a window," Roseanne says.
"It certainly looked like him."
Other memorable places included Churchill's wartime bunker under the Uxbridge air base, Nelson's flagship HMS Victory, an extensive cruise on the River Thames and the giant London Eye wheel.
"It was my first time out of New Zealand but there was so much to do I didn't have time to get homesick," Roseanne says.
"And yes, I'd love to go back."
Roseanne also represented Northern Wairoa at a Rotary Youth Leadership Awareness scheme. The programme offers promising 18 to 24-year-olds a week of personal challenges, physical activites, team building and lectures from keynote speakers.
This year's event was at Whenuapai airbase and introduced Roseanne to the physical side of air force life, including running 5km in 42 minutes carrying 20kg of extra weight or crawling over mud flats.
A career in the air force beckons and Roseanne is applying for an aeronautical metal or avionics mechanic position with hopes of being accepted in the June 2011 intake.
"Engineering is possibly still looked at as a man's job but I feel I am just as capable of doing a good job.
"If I wasn't I wouldn't be doing it." She is now keen to join a gym and get trim for the 14-week air force training.
57 Squadron unit commander Flight Lieutenant Barbara Gillatt says Roseanne is a great achiever.
"We gave her the framework and she grabbed every opportunity offered.
After 13 weeks of training, 39 Air Force recruits recently stepped up to a career in the Royal New Zealand Air Force.
In front of family and friends, the graduates from Command and Recruit Training Squadron marched out onto the parade ground at Air Force Base Woodbourne. Reviewing Officer for the parade was Colin King, MP for Kaikoura.
The parade included a drill display, a physical training display and a performance of the RNZAF Haka, Ko Te Taua-A-Rangi. Taua-A-Rangi means 'war party of the sky'.
Commanding Officer RNZAF Training Group, Group Captain Stephen Davies Howard said the training the recruits receive is challenging and is designed to prepare new enlistees for service in the RNZAF.
"Those who graduate from the Command and Recruit Training Squadron are well prepared to serve the RNZAF and the wider community. The course is not easy; it demands a lot from those who go through it.
"These graduates have proved worthy of the challenge and deserve to share a great sense of personal and corporate pride as they celebrate their success and look to the future. The RNZAF now offers each one an interesting and rewarding career."
The new graduates can now look forward to further specialist training in any one of the Air Force's diverse technical trades or as aircrew
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Auster Doors and parts « Result #19 Yesterday at 11:20pm »
Hi guys
Bit of a long shot, but I was wondering if anyone has or knows where there might be a pair of Auster doors suitable for my T7 rebuild lying about?
Mine are pretty stuffed and was thinking it has to be more cost effective to try to track down some better ones before I go any further with them......all options/donations/suggestions greatly appreciated.
Also, a set of good wing tanks, or if anyone knows of any Auster parts out there that might be of use to help get this ol girl up and flying again would be much appreciated.
Just throwing the idea out there, figure I have nothing to loose???
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Re: Ohakea and Whenuapai's concrete hangars « Result #20 Yesterday at 11:17pm »
Stunning photos Don, thanks for sharing them. I've seen one or two before but most are new to me.
We have visionaries such as Ralph Cochrane and Minister of Defence Fred Jones, plus Minister of Works Bob Semple, to thank for the amazing work they did between 1938 and 1940 to create these huge bomber bases. I'll bet they never considered that the buildings they were designing and building would still be used by the backbone of the RNZAF over 70 years later. I think the concrete hangars are stunning pieces of engineering but till I read the article I posted I never knew they were of local design. I wish we knew the designer's name (or names of the design team more like I'd think). Those hangars are probably some of the most important structures architecturally ever built in NZ pre-war or during the war.
Nige, I cannot really see that the idea of heavy bombers ever entered the minds of NZ's government then. Heavy bombers at that stage when the new force was planned were the likes of Fairey Hendons and Handley page Harrows, and they'd be a bit pointless to New Zealand's needs.
The bomber force that Cochrane was aiming at was for coastal reconnaissance and protecting the waterways. There was no need at that time to set up a long range offensive bomber force. He was looking purely at defence. The Wellingtons would easily have gotten to Australia, Fiji, etc if need be. But their role was to - if the need arose - attack shipping and submarines. They could patrol for 7 or 8 hours wthout a hassle and deliver a decent load of bombs and/or depth charges.
As well as two squadrons of Wellingtons for the medium bomber force he also ordered enough reconnaissance bombers to create around six squadrons or more, plus more bombers as advanced trainers. He was really ramping up the RNZAF from a basic training institution for territorial pilots into a proper strategic force with defence capabilities to properly defend New Zealand. The war came before his intended units were all formed, and only three were operational and trained up in NZ, with the aircraft and some personnel of the other two squadrons, No's 1 and 2 Squadrons, being merged and made operational in the UK to become No. 75 Squadron. You will be able to read a lot more detail in my upcoming book.
I believe there is/was a rail line running past Ohakea though I have never seen it. I have read of a Ventura which bellied in, went through the fence, across the road and across the railway into a paddock, apparently. If there is a rail line there, is that the main trunk line? If yes, did they have a station at Ohakea during WWII? Did Ohakea have it's own siding for moving freight in and out?
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Re: Omaka's Bristol Freighter to run again « Result #21 Yesterday at 10:42pm »
Actually, as they were starting on early dusk maybe it was a blackout precaution? Or would that not be likely?
CF11 will be amazing for twin engined British planes, the freighter, the Mosquito and the Anson, all going well. If they all start up together, imagine the symphony!
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Re: Ohakea and Whenuapai's concrete hangars « Result #22 Yesterday at 10:01pm »
Wow - absolutely fascinating history, info and pics, Dave and Don!
Unsure if these have been posted here before, but further searching of the Evening Post online brought up these articles. It's amazing to contrast the Govt atitudes of those times with now etc. Even back then whilst the expenditure in defence could have meant money for improving society, there was a realism in that it was necessary to protect society etc. Would have loved to have seen the Wellington bombers make it to their new bases at Ohakea and Whenuapai, however they obviously played a crucial role with 75 Sqn in the UK and the war effort etc.
Edit: it looks like one can click back and forth on the search results arrows (of the above items etc). So clicking back to this: http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin....1----0 ohakea-- mentions the "fabricated steel false work used in the construction of the hangers at Ohakea would be dismantled and taken to Auckland where it would serve the same purpose at Whenuapai" which neatly answers your earlier question Dave!
It's also interesting how the Govt at the time talked about these "medium bomber squadrons" and these appropriately sized hangers to accomodate the medium bombers etc. I wonder if there were also other Govt plans (as they would do / have, perhaps etc), pre-war that is, to expand to heavy bombers if there was a future need to (i.e. possible plans for etc), thus could that have meant further plans on the drawing boards at the time for even larger hangers? Just a curious question etc!
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Re: Ohakea and Whenuapai's concrete hangars « Result #24 Yesterday at 9:45pm »
I found these gems of the Ohakea hangers under construction somewhere on the net a while ago. Too good not to share even though I don't know who to credit them to sorry. The first shot is particularly interesting as it shows the mini railway they built for assembling the sections on and moving them into place. All the concrete was wheel barrowed up onto the scaffolding and poured by hand! I heard a story when I was at Ohakea that a heavy rain storm one day washed most of their day's work down the roof and into the drains!
Hi weheka i have some video of Lockey in bhj taken here at HariHari in the airsow colours. Also have some good video of David in euf taken at Butlers 2007 hope to try and get both lots on here soon Cheers
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Re: Omaka's Bristol Freighter to run again « Result #27 Yesterday at 9:27pm »
You will definitely see the Bristol taxi at CF11. CF09 was a dress rehearsal and we hope to have her niggles ironed out before then. I am now in the market for a WW2 Cornelius compressor to supply her pneumatics better than the wee Hymatics can. The Cornelius compressor is a small 28V DC 3 cylinder unit that was primarily used for gun charging and bomb bay doors on the B-29. Graeme Frews Yak-3 has one and they have become popular around the world in Dive shops for charging SCUBA tanks. If I was to hook one of these into the Bristol air system, we wouldn't rely on dive tanks to run the brakes.
I'll have to think about the cloth in the exhausts of the Wellingtons. My first thought is that it might be for fire suppression during starting but that is only a guess.
That photo of BHJ and Lockey is up at the Glen just off the end of the Bolder Bank north of the city and photo coming into land is out at Paturau, West Coast, which is west of Takaka. I am sure I was working same time out there as it was a big lime job and my driver had Lockeys camera and took photo of myself as well
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Re: Ohakea and Whenuapai's concrete hangars « Result #30 Yesterday at 9:08pm »
Good find Nige. I guess they moved the scaffolding from one hangar project to the next till all four concrete hangars were built.
I only found out about two months back from my great uncle Ted that my grandad, Jim Homewood, worked at Whenuapai building the aerodrome at the outbreak of the war. I'd known he was a concrete secialist, he'd worked on the crew that built Great South Road's concrete section, but finding out that he helped build the station in 1939-40, and I lived and worked there in 1989-90, was pretty special, as I never knew him. He died when I was two.
Re: UH-1H in 1/35 « Result #32 Yesterday at 8:57pm »
Today while driving from Mangere to Whenuapai I found myself outside a large model shop (as you do) and now have a 1:35th scale Dragon UH-1D in captivity
South Western motorway progress « Result #34 Yesterday at 8:46pm »
Quite a while back I posted some pics on here of Cambria Park near Puhinui Railway Station and along with them I put a photo taken from the look out on Goodwood Drive looking towards the airport. At that time the South Western motorway extension past Manukau city had just started so I have taken another one today for comparison.
First one:
Todays one:
The southern lanes were opened last week end and the Northern lanes will open in about a months time(weather permitting). There is also a rail line being put in to Manukau City alongside the motorway.
Re: Aero Commander Snow S2D-600 « Result #40 Yesterday at 7:51pm »
SNO was the first Air Tractor into the country, it being an AT-502B. it was imported Oct 95 for trials and demonstrations by Fieldair. It was exported May 98 back to Australia. I note JHL is a Rockwell 114 and this bears no connection to the Snow designed and built aircraft. According to my copy of Leland Snows book "Putting Dreams to Flight" Rockwell Standard Bought the Snow Aeronautical Company in late 1965. This new company was known as the Olney Division of Aero Commander. Aero Commander than moved plant and production of the Thrush S-2R to Albany Georgia in Early 1970. Leland Snow then concentrated on his new design the Air Tractor which first flew September 27, 1973
There is a large advertising spread in the current "Classic Wings" for the Mig - included is a specification panel which lists its service ceiling as 620,000 ft - either someone made a typo or those Russian machines really were advanced
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #43 Yesterday at 6:24pm »
Defence acquisition - as in recent "scandals" or as in future capabilities?
About that Hawk UAV data - is that flying 'round and 'round so to speak (to paint the 3D setting)? Or is it clever enough "to fill in the missing pieces" so to speak (to produce a 3D image from 2D)? Good stuff, nonetheless.
Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #44 Yesterday at 3:52pm »
Tough call, but I suppose not enough constructive stuff from sirbean. Bating vs Debate ? Back on topic, I hear there is to be a report on national radio 3rd Sept 0700-0800 on Defence Acquisition.
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #47 Yesterday at 3:45pm »
Thanks for the positive feedback guys, both here and via PM. It is hard to be democratic and allow free speech on a forum when some people decide to abuse the privilege of the freedom they have been given.
Perhaps this refers to both this thread and the overall freedom that our New Zealand Defence Force preserves for us.
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Re: School of Aeronatics, Wellington « Result #48 Yesterday at 3:39pm »
Don Nairn was perhaps one of our most important airmen in WWII, in that he was responsible for deciding which aircraft the Royal Navy would be equipped with. He did the trails and test flying on many types, and made many alterations. One major project he had a lot of a hand in was making the Corsair into a carrier aircraft, hence it finally entering service, and then eventually into US Marine Corps and RNZAF service. He was also the first non-US Allied pilot to fly the Zero, the first one they captured intact.
Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #49 Yesterday at 3:39pm »
Wow, that one got heated pretty quick.. Good job on sorting out the troll Dave. Back on topic, do we have any idea why the White paper was pushed back to October?
Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #50 Yesterday at 3:31pm »
Well done Dave. I support your actions 100%. He was given fair warning. I've enjoyed the enlightened comments from genuine posters who stayed on topic. Particular kudos to skyhawkdon and corokid66 for putting a lot of well informed info out there that states a great case for Defence and the RNZAF in particular. (I've got to admit the sideways journey into the world of sirbean was entertaining to a point and Dave's post immediately after 'smithy70' gave me laugh out loud enjoyment.) I think it underlines the importance of keeping politics out of this forum and sticking to the subject of topic threads. To everyone - cheers and beers!!!
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #54 Yesterday at 3:09pm »
I suspected as much Dave. Good one for terminating him (and on your detective work to figure out he was one and the same). Now, back to what we all love - aeroplanes
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Re: School of Aeronatics, Wellington « Result #55 Yesterday at 3:08pm »
Thanks to this post, I've bought a copy of "Gold Wings" on TradeMe
I'd never heard of the book but (again, thanks to an earlier post) am all fired up to learn more of the history of floatplanes on Lake Taupo so.........
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Re: Meteor for Ashburton Aviation Museum « Result #56 Yesterday at 3:05pm »
The exchange rate must be looking a little better now. I am pretty sure they have kept a hanger full of them for engineers to learn on.
Lightning would be cool but I imagine the price would have gone up a fair bit over the years
Hopefully a Jag may come up soon! Plenty on nzers flew them in the RAF. Another aeroplane of a similar age to the GR3 which seems to be avaliable in large numbers....and is very cool....is the F104 Starfighter
Re: Meteor for Ashburton Aviation Museum « Result #57 Yesterday at 2:52pm »
My "running buddy" for the Harrier, the late Laurie Cromie, was very keen on a Jag. We tried and tried, but couldn't source any coming thru the same channels as we obtained the Harrier. Once they get beyond the initial disposal agency and to a broker, the money and the exchange rate kill it dead for us. Jags seem to go directly to the broker in some sort of deal with the British MoD that we don't completely understand.
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #65 Yesterday at 1:33pm »
Oh dear, oh dear. In order to bolster his pathetic argument, Sirbean has now created an all new alter ego, Smithy70, to attempt to have someone support his views, namely himself.
Smithy70 has an email address with SirBean in it and they both have identical ISP addresses.
Well, I think this is a banning offence for "both" members.
Congratulations SirBean/Smithy70, you have talked yourself into becoming the first member who was not a blatant spammer to be banned from the forum. I have deleted both your accounts.
I am all for free speech, we have a Defence Force that protects our rights as New Zealanders to freedom of speech. Hence the reason why I have reluctantly allowed you to post continuously with your somewhat unwelcome views. But you have now abused that privilege totally and have therefore both your accounts have been terminated. Don't bother trying to come back in a third guise. You won't last long.
Deleting a member's account is a seriously sad thing to do for me. God knows Craig and I have wanted to delete a few others over the years but we never have. We negotiate and reason. But no-one has ever achieved a -36 of karma, nor caused so much ill feeling in a thread, nor ignored warnings like Sirbean. Reluctantly this had to happen, perhaps he wanted it to happen. Tahnsk to all the other members here for their patience in this debate. You all have done very well to make a lot of good sense.
Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #66 Yesterday at 1:23pm »
vs yes I know how much goes towards the DPB,but there are alot of single mum and a few dadsthese who throught not fault of their own rely on our help.Lots of them have been beaten or had men throwing there C..k around town(cheating)there are kids involved here and solo parents today far outway the family unit numberswise. Dont pick a fight with those who rely on some form of benefit. I see the man who runs this site has no job and possible employers look at him as too old. There are plenty of people with out a job who would do anything for one....they are not bluggers...just down on there luck. And just think you could have a stroke tomorrow and rely on a sickness benefit,or be hit by a drunk driver and be on ACC....bet you would not care then how much tax is spent on welfare. Just get real!
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #68 Yesterday at 1:06pm »
The problem in New Zealand is that there are too many idiots here....They believe their own BS and try and ram it down everyone elses throats. NZ is full of people who want everything for free and dont want to lift a finger for it. As a tax payer, I am sick of forking out my hard earned money for these people to milk the system and then tell me what I am doing wrong and how to live my life.......I want a say in where my tax money goes (do you know that $10 of eack of our PAYE each week goes to DPB!) and why not spend some money on a quality defence force that we can be EVEN more proud of?!
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Re: Poll - defence review thread « Result #69 Yesterday at 12:58pm »
I voted for democratic freedom of expression but I just wanted to qualify my vote.
For me it's democratic freedom of expression within reason.
You have your opportunity to express your opinion but once posting becomes "trollish" or keeps banging on and on about a political position where their posting is purely about that political position and no other contribution to the forum then it's marching orders time.
I rememeber as an ATC Cadet helping to set up an open day for a Falcon's Roost Ex at Napier airport when Ron Thacker hit a cable doing a high speed (for a Sioux!!) low pass over the camp... he & the student had a near miss as the cable shattered the bubble & wrapped around the mast
Myself and another couple of guys watched the old girl gain altitude as bits of the bubble were falling around us & then she started to autoratate as the main rotar had clipped the tailboom on impact. The old girl spun down & landed hard but both walked away uninjured.
Never moved so fast in all me life
From memory the passenger was Pilot Officer Pete Lindsay who ejected from NZ6367 (a Blunty) some months later.
I was on 3 Squadron at the time - it would have been in 1985. They were VERY lucky to walk away from that accident...
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #76 Yesterday at 12:31pm »
Corokid66 I agree with you totally I am all for a return of the Macchis and new C-130's at some stage some...its a soft sell to the taxpayer and lets hope that happens and soon. Lets also hope the country can drive forward with more enterprise and people who "think and live outside the square"and can turn the country around as one not divided.
Education has gone from $7.7B to $10.3B in that time.
My ex-wife is a primary school teacher.
Around that time - early 1980s - the teachers union produced a car bumper sticker for their members that read "It will be a great day for education when Schools get all the money they need and the Air Force has to run a cake stall to buy a new bomber".
My popularity sank to a new low when I pointed out that the last 'new bomber' that the Air Force actually got was around 25 years previously (the Canberras). "Don't confuse emotion with the facts", I was told.
Mind you, in my experience most people in the education system do not have a firm grasp of economic logic. A prominent member of the same group trumpeted loud and long that 'everything should be subsidised'. When I tried to point out that this was probably not a sustainable economic strategy I was more or less ostracized.
I here your point I even see it. However Dr Mapp has already and Mrs Roy has aswell said that a return to fast jet operations is not feasible. On those comments I see no future in ACF. Again these are just my views and I see no change in Defence direction at all. As you would have seen with the mining and in a recession with lots of jobs on offer New Zealanders opposed and defeated the Government on this. Any major change or spend up in Defence would rattle the public...I see it as a no go area for politicians...thats all.
Yes they have specifically ruled out the A-4's returning. However if the Machhi returns it is a defacto fast jet capability. (If a Batch II upgrade was undertaken it would give it a degree of combat capability as well.)
Actually I dont think that defence is the big bad bogey it once was with the public. New Zealanders are a hell of a lot more schooled up than in the 1980-1990's and more supportative of defence people in general. People today tend to get their information from more and more from direct sources of interest rather than using the MSM media - which though more positionally strident in its political advocacy either left or right - is less trusted and less influential amongst the public.
Mining - only schedule 4 was knocked back. Personally I was anti the mining of Schedule 4 land but pro mining in non schedule 4 areas as long as it weighed up OK with ss5-9 of the RMA. The minister was a buffoon thinking that idea was a flyer.
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #86 Yesterday at 11:48am »
I here your point I even see it. However Dr Mapp has already and Mrs Roy has aswell said that a return to fast jet operations is not feasible. On those comments I see no future in ACF. Again these are just my views and I see no change in Defence direction at all. As you would have seen with the mining and in a recession with lots of jobs on offer New Zealanders opposed and defeated the Government on this. Any major change or spend up in Defence would rattle the public...I see it as a no go area for politicians...thats all.
Its got nothing what so ever to do with insurance....lets say we had like everyone on here wants some Super Hornets say 12. In a major conflict want use would 12 Super Hornets really be? This country has changed path and thank goodness this current Government seems to want the same path as the former Government and to concentrate on low level peacekeeping. As I said these are my views only,I just see what most of you have no idea about on a day to day basis.
In am pleased you asked this question Bean, Twelve Shornets would have considearable effectiveness as part of an ANZAC / Singaporean joint strike package in a warfare situation.
But also considerable capability in screening out an opposing force/belligerents in a UNSC Chp VII operation. Think back to ET when Aust Hornets led CAP's and provided the protective screen for C-130's to ingress Dili and ships like the Toobruk to disembark soldiers and equipment against TNI elements. That is what the front end of modern "peacekeeping" under UN mandates is about.
Low level peackeeping / SASO type i.e UNSC Chp VI - this is not prevailent as much as before and has not been since 1990 - more difficult UNSC operations are involving Chp VII peace enforcement ROE are the strong trend. This is the fiundamental flaw in the previous governments defence policy. Might have been a wonderful idea in 1993 just after the end of the Cold War when Labour cobbled together this policy however even by the late 90's (before 9/11) it was redundant. Post 9/11 and Post the emergence of the Brazil, China and India with the resurgence of Russia and the strategic incompetence of the United States during the past decade we have entered into a post post cold war period.
I think that the current government are transforming defence to a more realistic footing. However I think that they will need to anchor their policy in a bit more real politque and hedge their bets. In fairness I would have to say that during the time in Labours term they did get more real in terms of defence particularly once Goff replaced Burton as the Minister.
Nevertheless, you are politically naive if you think that the current government are just going to continue what Labour have done. I do not think that the government are as politically naive as you are though. The government will retain 2 out of the three services with an element of combat capability so as to operate at the high end of the Chp VII spectrum - and they may be able to provide for local training with Air / maritime assets in such an environment. If they do that by utilising the Macchi's that will be a win for operational and strategic sanity. However eventually they will need an air combat component for both a maritime support and land combat support environment. It problably is going to take a "considerable" lesson learnt in both the bodybag and economic stakes to over come the current naivety and ignorance, but unfortunately is what it is going to take. The political fallout immense.
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #88 Yesterday at 11:28am »
Truely understand people need to take responsibility for their own actions and have shall we say their "house" in order. Its just not everyone is like that...sad but true. But as a country and individuals we really do need to stop spending pay off debt and save save save for our retirements and our future health needs cause in years to come I cannot see a public system or a Government pension...just facts. So lets save save and pay back our debts.
nige...your facts are correct with spending amounts but if it was your nana,mum or what about this your child suffering in an under funded health system how would you feel????
Personally, as a family member I would rally other family members around and pay for the hip-op myself/ourselves if it ever came to that. There is far too much reliance on 'the taxpayer' and not enough self reliance imho thanks to government largesse. Governments change, 'the taxpayer' remains the same. As already pointed out though, this is not the topic of this thread!!
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #90 Yesterday at 11:22am »
obiwan27 if this was correct then we should as taxpayers let south canterbury finance go! You are right we do get value for money defence wise and the White Paper will only be a guide to future requirements only. As Bill English as rightly said as a country and as indivduals we need to reduce our debt and save. This is why I see no major change in Defence spending.
Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #92 Yesterday at 11:16am »
Ahhhh we are getting off the thread topic here guys. My 5 cents worth on the above is that no matter how much more money we throw at education, health and welfare the same complaints/problems exist. Defence isn't perfect necessarily but we do get great value for taxpayer $$$. One thing that frustrates me is the growing attitude that people are 'owed' some kind of living or should get a handout 'because I'm in a low paid job', or 'it's expensive bringing up children'. Well no shit!! Life is a do it to yourself project and your life is shaped by the choices you make. No one is holding a gun to your head making you stay in your low paid job or have children/more children. Anyway, on the Defence White Paper we await announcements in due course ;-)
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #93 Yesterday at 11:09am »
nige...your facts are correct with spending amounts but if it was your nana,mum or what about this your child suffering in an under funded health system how would you feel???? There is huge waste in health with company cars and huge amounts of management teams and consultants. But you are right we need to be productive and invest in areas that will make us wealthy as a nation and lets hope we can get over our differances for the betterment of the nation.
Re: Vector Land Class- Released « Result #94 Yesterday at 11:06am »
Vector Land Class has now been released....whew! Thanks for everyones support on here
I'm pretty pleased with how it has turned out....New Zealand actually looks like New Zealand now for one, but there are also some cool features which make me smile: One is the cell phone towers around the country- I pass a particular one every morning on the way to work and there it is, recreated faithfully in the sim
Another is all the farm airstrips around the place which can make a nice diversion if you are in the right aircraft type (the plan is to supplement these with typical NZ barns and provide fert trucks so users can place them around the country too)
Here are some pics from the released version
It would make a great fathers day pressie for those that enjoy flying but perhaps can't afford or aren't otherwise able to get up in the sky in real life (of course you'll need a copy of FSX and relatively modern PC to run it)
Re: Lest We Forget « Result #95 Yesterday at 11:00am »
Actually Dave, I must admit I did forget. I know the date and its significance but they can just roll on by before you know it. Thank goodness we have you on case
Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #96 Yesterday at 11:00am »
What ever mate! Most good maori are still going without in this country. And why I get angry about this is because my poor kids will still be paying out in many years to come. Enough is enough.
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Re: Ministers Launch Defence Review 09 Document « Result #97 Yesterday at 10:47am »
Raptor, I also find your continuous comments on treaty settlements, Iwi, and so on, quite offensive and unnecessary for this forum. There's a reason why there are treaty settlements, whether personally we agree or not, but I suspect if we (and you) took the time to understand the issue properly, we wouldn't be criticising Iwi/maori and their settlements etc. In fact we'd probably find they got less than what ought to, in the real commercial world. Remember also Treaty settlements are investments for NZ i.e. the money generally stays in the country, and the more Iwi/Tribes get their financial house in order, in some respects the less Govt/taxpayer money needs to be found via traditional means etc. Last week I attended a seminar on Maori Accounting (in a conference support capacity not an attendee) and saw the (mainly young/middle aged) attendees their and management from E&Y etc, it is good to see the new generation of future Maori leaders taking on board international best-practice - for the future benefit of their iwi and NZ society as a whole.
Re: RNZAF Bell 47 Sioux ..What now? « Result #98 Yesterday at 10:45am »
I took my son for a flight in Precision Helicopters Bell 47 from Oakurakura winery on surf highway45 between New Plymouth and Oakura. This was awesome it was slow and went along the beach at a very low level,so low we put our hand out the window and waved to the people on the beach. Last summer a DC-3 flew over our city doing joy flights and its slow speed and big rumble from its radial engines made me think what our children today are really missing out on. Its all great having a high tech state and fast quiet planes but our kids today cant even get close to them with all the sercurity around and the airports today basically dont like people there watching the planes. In my day we could work around and get really close to the planes it was great. I often wonder if we have gone forward for the better.
Defence spending has gone from $2.0B in 2002/03 to $2.5B in 2007/08.
Education has gone from $7.7B to $10.3B in that time.
Health has gone from $8.3B to $11.6B in that time.
Social Welfare has gone from $14.9B to $24.5B in that time. (And more so nowadays post depression etc).
And so on (i.e. see the other categories).
So my question is, how much more do you want to cut defence to fund health? Clearly you have an agenda at play here.
Whilst I sympathise with your plight in the health industry, and I do agree it is shameful that over many decades Govts of all hues don't support the aged as well as they ought to ... but at the end of the day we're comparing apples with oranges.
Again how much more do you want defence to be cut to prop up health? Even if we cut defence to zero and disbanded everything, health is a bottomless pit and the $2.5B saved will still not stop the health rot. What then is your next target?
How about I answer and say that we need to be a more prosperous nation. People (also with agendas) need to stop whinging about foreign investment, mining on conservation land, off shore oil drilling etc etc. If you can support NZ growing its income, then we can afford much better health and education and defence services/expenditure etc. You need to think about how your Labour, Alliance, Green allies are so much opposed to NZ becoming truely prosperous, as their solutions seem to be more tax and spend, which is simply digging the NZ debt hole deeper.
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