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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2012 22:27:30 GMT 12
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Post by gunny on Mar 12, 2012 0:54:33 GMT 12
Ya have to love tempests and typhoons
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Post by lesterpk on Mar 12, 2012 1:35:35 GMT 12
Out friggin standing. One of my favourite WW2 machines to come to life.
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Post by beagle on Mar 12, 2012 4:30:12 GMT 12
Yes, me too Les.
will be brilliant to see one of these.
Take it we had Kiwis flying these in the war
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Post by ErrolC on Mar 12, 2012 6:54:53 GMT 12
Yes, me too Les. will be brilliant to see one of these. Take it we had Kiwis flying these in the war A squadron doing anti-V1 duties, and fighter-bomber sweeps over NW Europe. Am I right in thinking that this one has the 'wrong' engine? Great news in any case. |
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Post by htbrst on Mar 12, 2012 7:07:53 GMT 12
Am I right in thinking that this one has the 'wrong' engine? Great news in any case. I think so yes - its a Centaurus engined variant - theres a round cowiling and spinner in the 2nd photo on the link in drevils post - I don't think there are many Sabres around to power a Tempest V. Pretty sure they used a very early version of the Centaurus , quite different to the Sea Fury etc, so it will be interesting to see what they do to it  Great news ! |
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Post by thebrads on Mar 12, 2012 8:59:49 GMT 12
Awesome! Freakin awesome. Will be following this closely.
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Post by ZacYates on Mar 12, 2012 10:35:47 GMT 12
Thank gawd! The Pioneer crew (Paul McSweeny?) teased us a few weeks back with a picture of the hangar floor, saying it was recently-cleared space for a new project. I guessed a Tempest Mk.II after Marty Nicoll said "wish it was sabre powered.". Outstanding!
Finally I can justify buying a Matchbox 1:72 Tempest on TradeMe.
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Post by setter1 on Mar 12, 2012 10:47:02 GMT 12
Now thats very good news - mind you nobody has yet gotten one of these airworthy - the problem with a Sabre engine is that its a problem!!! They werent very good even in their day !!! I think its much better and more reliable to use the Centaurus I believe when they were recovered from India there was a plan afoot to get one or more flying with a Sabre but that was many a long time ago and although a serviceable Sabre was found it was all too hard in the end. I am sure Pioneer will do a bang up job of this and we will all get to see this flying in NZ - the best bit is its staying there !!! rather than off to some other old plane morgue in the states
Well done and king regards
John
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Post by Naki on Mar 12, 2012 10:53:33 GMT 12
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Post by skyhawkdon on Mar 12, 2012 11:08:18 GMT 12
Truely amazing news! Well done to everyone involved. I'm guessing it is an addition to either the Ohakea or Omaka based collections?
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Post by aeromedia on Mar 12, 2012 13:04:08 GMT 12
OUT (insert appropriate and preferred expletive here) STANDING
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Mar 12, 2012 15:19:17 GMT 12
Now thats very good news - mind you nobody has yet gotten one of these airworthy - the problem with a Sabre engine is that its a problem!!! They werent very good even in their day !!! I think its much better and more reliable to use the Centaurus I believe when they were recovered from India there was a plan afoot to get one or more flying with a Sabre but that was many a long time ago and although a serviceable Sabre was found it was all too hard in the end. I am sure Pioneer will do a bang up job of this and we will all get to see this flying in NZ - the best bit is its staying there !!! rather than off to some other old plane morgue in the states Well done and king regards John I think the problem is with Napier engines in general. They were all bloody complex and temperamental beasts. Napier also made diesel engines for locomotives and true to form, they came up with a complex design (the Deltic) which had six pistons per cylinder driving three crankshafts (the cylinders were in a triangular shape with a pair horizontally-opposed pistons in each side of the triangle, with the three cranks in the anges of the triangles). Every other engine manufacturer built in-line or vee engines....much simpler by comparison with Napier's complex pieces of machinery. Napier also manufactured turbochargers and they also used to be extremely temperamental beasts. NZ Railways purchased a large number of English Electric locomotives during the 1950s and although they were powered by English Electric diesel engines, they were fitted with Napier turbochargers, which used to fail in spectacular fashion with monotonous regularity. Often, when the turbos failed, they used to spit bits of blades through the inlet valves into the cylinders, which then caused spectacular power-assembly failures when the pistons disintegrated. |
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Post by ZacYates on Mar 12, 2012 15:47:20 GMT 12
mind you nobody has yet gotten one of these airworthy - the problem with a Sabre engine is that its a problem!!! Fortunately this is a moot point as MW376 is a Mark II, powered by the Bristol Centaurus radial. It seems to be the Tempest II's time at last: this makes two under active restoration to fly, the other with Nelson Ezell in the States. It may not have a Sabre but unless TVAL enter the spamcan business, it's the closest we will get |
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Post by setter1 on Mar 12, 2012 16:00:16 GMT 12
Ok Ill bite what is this about one coming to OZ?
Please tell all
Kind regards
John
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Post by setter1 on Mar 12, 2012 16:01:11 GMT 12
If its Mr Chris hes in Texas not OZ
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Post by ZacYates on Mar 12, 2012 17:18:09 GMT 12
Ah, sorry, apologies! Edited post.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 12, 2012 19:21:49 GMT 12
The news of the Tempest II coming to New Zealand is simply fantastic. Huge congratulations to Paul and the team at Pioneer Aero Restorations for securing this project.
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Post by John L on Mar 12, 2012 19:37:35 GMT 12
So, the next question - who's it for?  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 12, 2012 19:57:33 GMT 12
I am wondering if any New Zealanders had flown the Tempest II at all; and also whether the Tempest II actually made it to wartime squadron service.
I think the first question must be a yes, there were many kiwis flying as Hawker test pilots etc. But I'm unsure if any ever flew them operationally in wartime or peacetime.
A quick search of Wikipedia and it seems the Tempest II's started to fly in October 1944 but it doesn't mention any squadron service in wartime apart form the build up for Tiger Force. They were to head to the Pacific for the attack on Japan, which didn't happen due to the atomic bomb. Did any actually see wartime combat though?
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