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Post by dakman on Oct 23, 2012 17:21:12 GMT 12
My first thoughts were Waco
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Post by pjw4118 on Oct 24, 2012 18:36:06 GMT 12
Thanks for that , the cowling had me confused ,as it looked a bit like a Bulldog with a cowling. A Waco makes sense.
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Post by delticman on Oct 24, 2012 19:10:46 GMT 12
My thoughts were of a Stearman C3 because of the undercarriage legs. The top wing is certainly different and the ailerons are interconected. So some kind of single seat X variant with a R1340. Having that engine, it would have short engine mounts compared with J-6 radial. Does someone have a book of USAAF training planes?
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Post by steveh on Oct 24, 2012 22:46:19 GMT 12
Are we sure its American? Looking at the engine cowl, I wondered about some of the European types with Mercurys that had similar cowls. Just saying. Steve.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 24, 2012 23:01:51 GMT 12
It may also not be military of course.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 24, 2012 23:03:41 GMT 12
There's a marking on the tail that looks to be
HC 793
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Post by Andy Wright on Oct 24, 2012 23:23:55 GMT 12
I thought that was a bit of the NC number, the preceding systemn to the current N-reg the Yanks use.
My first thought was Boeing but I think that's just the cowl ring reminding me of the Peashooter.
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Post by delticman on Oct 25, 2012 7:21:50 GMT 12
Oh yes, it's civil, would have been taken before USA entered the war.
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Post by davidd on Oct 25, 2012 11:20:23 GMT 12
It HAS to be an early Waco type, as the tail fin shape, undercarriage arrangement, wings, etc are identical to the very early Wacos. However practically ever Waco of this vintage (and later!) had "N"-type interplane struts. I went right through my series of Joseph P Juptner (what a great series of books!) but could not find an exact match (although I did find one Waco without N-struts) - even the NC 79xx registration was no help, as none of these early Wacos used such a number that I could find. So I am stumped here! But it just has to be one from this stable. The only thing somewhat unusual is the engine "cowling", which is very old fashioned - remember that the early Wacos under discussion here were built in 1930, eleven years before this photograph taken - it certainly looks nothing like all the American trainers of the mid1930s and onwards, it is from a totally different generation. David D
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Post by angels15 on Oct 25, 2012 20:37:48 GMT 12
Waco KNF?
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Post by raymond on Oct 25, 2012 20:37:48 GMT 12
David Reg looks like NC797__?? There are a few Waco CXE in this registration series maybe refitted with a radial? The Model 10 series does not appear to have "N' interplane struts from the photos I have seen. NC7970 Waco GXE NC7971 Waco GXE NC7972 Waco GXE NC7973 Lockheed 1 Vega NC7974 Capen Skyway (Anzani) NC7975 Arizona Airways Whitewing (Ford) NC7976 Standard J-1 B-2 NC7977 Kari-Keen Coupe 60 204 NC7978 Waco GXE NC7979 Lincoln-Page LP-3 Below is a link to US registrations. www.goldenyears.ukf.net/Historic%20N.txt
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Post by delticman on Oct 26, 2012 6:50:00 GMT 12
Yesterday I took the liberty of sending the picture to to William T Larkins.
His reply, "That's a fancinating photo and I have never seen it before. My guess is that it is a highly modified Waco GXE, probably NC7970, 7971, 7972 or 7978. I have never seen a cowling, engine or spinner like that. It's a rare item."
Looking at the photo again and one I've found of a GXE, I would agree but the u/c is different. Bill suggests it is a cropduster although no spreader can been seen, but by what the guys are doing on the wing, they may be getting something out of the hopper.
If your thinking, "yer right", what US Ag operators did to the Travellair 4000's made them look nothing like new.
I found that link to the early registers earlier yesterday, it's worth saving.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 26, 2012 11:25:48 GMT 12
Perhaps it has been modified by a bush pilot too, they did all sorts of things back then to aircraft I believe. As there's a truck there maybe they are about to refuel it? it may not be a hopper at all, it might be a fuel tank they are looking at? Or just a front seat?
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Post by davidd on Oct 27, 2012 14:10:19 GMT 12
The undercarriage is pretty well identical to that fitted on Waco RNF, HSO, QSO, PSO, INF, and probably others; there really were a LOT of models bulit by Waco. I only have Vols 4 - 8 of the Juptner series, so probably many others. David D
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