hamishr
Leading Aircraftman
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Post by hamishr on Jul 27, 2013 20:54:28 GMT 12
Yeah, like I said, just starting the process of getting his services records. Not about to damn the man before I've done some reading of my own, grave mistake or otherwise... Who the heck parks a bus on or near operating aircraft near or on the apron anyway? What's that about?
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Post by davidd on Jul 28, 2013 11:28:31 GMT 12
Hamishr, Harry Wigley's account of this incident as mentioned above seems to give a pretty good account of this drama, and is certainly the most available, although the official report can be seen in National Archives, Wellington. The bus was innocently sitting in the parking area provided, although the airfield was probably not much more than a paddock in those days, with very little in the way of runways, aprons or clear segregation of aircraft and public as we understand them today. However Wigley gives the best account of the very nerve-wracking trip back to Wigram in a seriously damaged aircraft, and Truman certainly made an excellent landing there on the grass, all things considered. There are photographs in existence, possibly on this website, of the damaged Avro 626 after landing. Incidentally this is the very same aircraft as on display at Wigram. David D
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Post by aussie59 on May 27, 2015 3:34:39 GMT 12
Newman did not die in the Battle of Britain, which officially ended on 31 Oct 1940, nor did he fly operational during the battle itself. The following entry from my trilogy For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume Three: Biographies & Appendices) might be of assistance. NEWMAN, Sergeant Frederic Jack. NZ40626 (prev A40626); b Auckland 15 Jun 14; Mt Albert Grammar; clerk - Auckland EPB. Auckland Aero Club Pilot u/t c.Apr 39; RNZAF Levin/GTS as Air Observer u/t 13 Feb 40, 1AOS 11 Mar 40, Air Observers Badge & Sgt 27 Jun 40, att RAF & emb for UK 12 Jul 40, 1 Depôt 27 Aug 40, 2SAC 30 Aug 40, 59 Sqn (Blenheim - 9 ops) e.Nov 40, kao 26 Nov 40. Runnymede Memorial - Panel 27. Son of Charles Mark & Rosanna Ellen Newman, Mt Albert, Auckland. Errol 59 Sqdn ORB has Sgt Newman and crew operational in late Oct. 1940, which qualified them in 1946 (posthumously) for the Battle of Britain clasp. Officially, Air Ministry bureaucrats stripped 59 & 53 Sqdn aircrews of entitlement in 1960, purely because they were not flying "fighter variant" aircraft... regardless of the duties they undertook, and therefore not inline with the created myth that "fighter pilots only" won the Battle of Britain...
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Post by errolmartyn on May 27, 2015 8:38:37 GMT 12
Newman did not die in the Battle of Britain, which officially ended on 31 Oct 1940, nor did he fly operational during the battle itself. The following entry from my trilogy For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 (Volume Three: Biographies & Appendices) might be of assistance. NEWMAN, Sergeant Frederic Jack. NZ40626 (prev A40626); b Auckland 15 Jun 14; Mt Albert Grammar; clerk - Auckland EPB. Auckland Aero Club Pilot u/t c.Apr 39; RNZAF Levin/GTS as Air Observer u/t 13 Feb 40, 1AOS 11 Mar 40, Air Observers Badge & Sgt 27 Jun 40, att RAF & emb for UK 12 Jul 40, 1 Depôt 27 Aug 40, 2SAC 30 Aug 40, 59 Sqn (Blenheim - 9 ops) e.Nov 40, kao 26 Nov 40. Runnymede Memorial - Panel 27. Son of Charles Mark & Rosanna Ellen Newman, Mt Albert, Auckland. Errol 59 Sqdn ORB has Sgt Newman and crew operational in late Oct. 1940, which qualified them in 1946 (posthumously) for the Battle of Britain clasp. Officially, Air Ministry bureaucrats stripped 59 & 53 Sqdn aircrews of entitlement in 1960, purely because they were not flying "fighter variant" aircraft... regardless of the duties they undertook, and therefore not inline with the created myth that "fighter pilots only" won the Battle of Britain... Thank you for the correction. My information when compililng the work came from the postwar bio compiled about him by the RNZAF who at the time had access to Newman's log book. In their account they wrote 'early in November he was posted to No. 59 Squadron . . .'. Now able to check the Squadron ORB online, I see that you are quite correct, in that Newman flew operationally there in October, which he did on the 19th, 26th and 27th. Errol
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Post by aussie59 on May 27, 2015 12:55:54 GMT 12
No problems Errol. My site for 59 Squadron has moved from number59.com to number59squadron.com I recently came across Cpl. Ronald Keith Bartlett, seems he was with 59 then later lost with a NZ Squadron. Little to no details in the ORB, that I've found so far. Do you happen to have any details of Cpl. Bartlett, in regards to "to and from" 59 and muster? I have him noted on the site as lost after returning to NZ, but it looks like the NZ Sqdn were in Europe, I will correct that ASAP. www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C20639Any help appreciated. Thanks Errol. Lorenzo.
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Post by errolmartyn on May 27, 2015 13:32:09 GMT 12
Lorenzo,
Bartlett almost survived the war but came to a tragic end back here in New Zealand in December 1944.
From my Volume Two:
Thu 14/Fri 15 Dec 1944 NEW ZEALAND Shooting accident Non-effective Pool, RNZAF During disembarkation leave, went shooting with a .22 repeating rifle in the evening on his father’s farm at Silverhope, 3 miles SW of Hunterville. Died when the firearm accidentally discharged, apparently as he was getting through a fence, and is buried in the Upper Tutaenui Cemetery, Marton. Armourer: NZ39310 Cpl Ronald Keith BARTLETT, RNZAF - Age 23. During his time overseas Bartlett served as an armourer with 59 Sqn, RAF, 75 (NZ) Sqn, RAF, and 486 Sqn, RNZAF.
Bio details from Volume Three: BARTLETT, Corporal Ronald Keith. NZ39310 (prev 39310); b Marton [Hunterville?] 19 Aug 21*; Marton DHS & Wanganui Collegiate [sic - Wanganui TColl?]; farmer - Army Dept, Trentham. NZ Army/TF (WWCR Mar 38, Special Res – Army Sch of Instr 18 Aug-19 Nov 38); RNZAF Trentham as Aircrafthand 13 Apr 39, 1FTS 16 Jun 39, remust as Armourer u/t 21 Jul 39, remust as Armourer 1 Feb 40, Ohakea 2 Feb 40, att RAF & emb for UK 25 Jul 40, 1 Depôt 5 Sep 40, 59 Sqn (Blenheim) 9 Sep 40, 75(NZ)Sqn (Wellington) 29 Mar 41 [att 1AAS 17 Oct-?], 486 Sqn RNZAF (Hurricane, Typhoon) 28 Mar 42, 3084 NZ Servicing Echelon (Typhoon, Tempest) 29 Sep 43, 149 Airfield HQ (Tempest) 11 Mar 44, 12PD&RC 9 Jul 44, emb for NZ c.25 Jul 44, rtd to NZ & NEP 28 Sep 44, died in a shooting accident 14 Dec 44. Upper Tutaenui Cemetery, Marton - E.30. Son of Isaac Clarence & Grace Richmond Bartlett (née Illston), Marton, Silverhope; h of Iris Lilian Bartlett (née Legge), Gore. Note: * gave birth year as 1920 on enlistment.
Errol
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Post by aussie59 on May 27, 2015 19:18:38 GMT 12
Thanks Errol, very much appreciate the great information! Had thought he was lost overseas whilst with 486... Must admit (rather shamefully) that my knowledge of NZ air force history is limited, but something to work on!
Armourer explains why nothing is shown in the ORB's, plus from Sep 40 to March 41, 59 didn't relocate, so there won't be mention in a movement order. What an unfortunate accident...
Thanks again Errol. I feel I will be harrassing you from time to time for more information if that's ok?
Lorenzo.
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