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Post by efliernz on Feb 15, 2012 13:17:27 GMT 12
A query - prompted by a question from a workmate who was enjoying his fish and chips at Raglan last Sunday night.. It started like this... "what happens if a plane lands with a tailwind?". I have him the likely scenarios for tri and tail-wheel machines and he comments... "About 6pm Sunday night, a twin landed from the sea direction (in the opposite direction to what others had landed 15-30 minutes earlier) and it appeared to be going rather quickly on the ground... just before it went through the fence and stopped in the camp ground" Just curious Pete
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Post by baronbeeza on Feb 15, 2012 13:49:14 GMT 12
If there was actually a tailwind at the time you also get another effect beyond the obvious. The groundspeed will naturally be higher than the airspeed but often you encounter the negative wind gradient. In short finals, and even into the flare, the airspeed can increase with the gradient. Taildraggers, especially, can then bounce as the pilots tries to get the wheels on the ground as the runway is quickly disappearing.
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Post by Bruce on Feb 15, 2012 13:55:51 GMT 12
US registered Beech Baron aparently. Stu can tell us about tailwinds at raglan...
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Post by efliernz on Feb 15, 2012 13:59:46 GMT 12
That was what I told him... give or take a few words He thought that it was strange (as a part-time resident of Raglan - but a non-pilot) that the particular aircraft appeared from over the sea without having flown a "usual circuit" (later identified by him as the overhead rejoin) and it came from the opposite direct to other recent traffic. I'll give it too him... my mate was very pc about this to me and tried to be non-judgemental as he is a non-pilot. I am not stating that the aircraft definitely landed with a tail wind... as I wasn't there. It was just oberved that he he behaved differently to others and ran out of room... and then the fence / camp-ground thing!
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Post by efliernz on Feb 15, 2012 14:30:32 GMT 12
Has been loosely identified as possibly N254F - judging from the colours! Damn non-fliers!!!
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Post by Kereru on Feb 15, 2012 15:44:08 GMT 12
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Post by FlyingKiwi on Feb 15, 2012 18:14:07 GMT 12
There was an article in the most recent Vector magazine which discussed the potential traps at Raglan for the unwary.
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Post by Bruce on Feb 15, 2012 18:24:31 GMT 12
the prevailing wind on Sunday was a moderate easterly - I landed at Te Kowhai on 05 about 5pm, so unless there was a local sea-breeze in effect (not unheard of, but I dont think Sunday was hot enough to generate it) I wouldnt say it was necessarily downwind. Bit of a tight squeeze for a Baron at the best of times though! Info from Baron club on the net reckons an "average" Baron in standard, still conditions requires 594M to land over a 50ft obstacle - Raglan is 640M Nominal
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Post by Tony on Feb 15, 2012 19:57:33 GMT 12
We at Fire Comms got the job from Police Comms at 18:33. Reporting a "plane had taken off and crash landed'. We knew it was off airport and I correctly guessed its location. We reponded the Raglan Brigade and the Rescue Tender from Chartwell. It was quickly confirmed that the pilot was out of the aircraft and it had been pushed back clear of the road, no danger to the public, so we returned the Chartwell PRT to station and left the Raglan brigade to deal with it.
We contacted CAA crash advise who confirmed that the pilot had been in contact with them. Rego: N254F was confirmed at the time.
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Post by efliernz on Feb 15, 2012 20:37:19 GMT 12
Thanks Macfire Nice to see the media didn't party over this one! Pete
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Post by Tony on Feb 15, 2012 21:04:53 GMT 12
Thanks Macfire Nice to see the media didn't party over this one! Pete Oh they tried............
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Post by Darren Masters on Feb 15, 2012 21:16:32 GMT 12
I'm always amazed at how many folks insist on landing with tail winds...
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Post by AirVanMan on Feb 15, 2012 21:57:32 GMT 12
I've seen this a few times in the south island.... this guy gets around a bit. Bloody nice Beech too.... all the bells and whistles.... synthetic vision and all.
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Post by slackie on Feb 16, 2012 9:21:30 GMT 12
Bloody nice Beech too.... all the bells and whistles.... synthetic vision and all Didn't appear to help him in this instance did it!
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Post by eieio on Feb 16, 2012 11:05:41 GMT 12
Once again ,guys..there but for the grace of God go I.............not likely to be in a nice Baron tho'
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Post by AirVanMan on Feb 16, 2012 12:35:47 GMT 12
Bloody nice Beech too.... all the bells and whistles.... synthetic vision and all Didn't appear to help him in this instance did it! Yeah did him absolutely no good at all. I was just really commenting on the aircraft not the pilots ability. Anyone know what damage it sustained??
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Post by FlyingKiwi on Feb 16, 2012 20:03:16 GMT 12
Thought I saw it at Ardmore today but it was the other US registered Baron that lingers around there. Is N254F still at Raglan?
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Post by flyinkiwi on Feb 28, 2012 12:48:54 GMT 12
Thought I saw it at Ardmore today but it was the other US registered Baron that lingers around there. Is N254F still at Raglan? I flew into Raglan yesterday and it is still parked up under covers at the 23 end next to the Super Air Fletcher. Still can't believe someone tried to land it, I had a hard enough time getting a Cherokee in and out of there! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Bruce on Feb 28, 2012 14:18:07 GMT 12
Is the Mooney still there too? must be getting quite a collection of broken aeroplanes there now!
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Post by FlyingKiwi on Feb 28, 2012 18:13:30 GMT 12
Does it look like it's taken any significant damage?
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