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Post by 30sqnatc on Sept 22, 2012 9:46:07 GMT 12
I wonder if he gets sick of never having a window to look out of! I'm sure the Sec Def has the power to kick one of those guys who always hog the window seats up front out ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 22, 2012 11:35:51 GMT 12
When you quote from "elsewhere" please link to or source where that "elsewhere" is.
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 22, 2012 13:54:14 GMT 12
I can't give the source here. I am member of another forum which deals in military and security matters. It's a matter of protocol that I don't name it because there are protocols about postings between forums and direct links are a no no. Thats why I say "another place I lurk elsewhere". If there are links on that forum from outside of the forum then I will usually give the source and provide the outside link.
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Post by htbrst on Sept 22, 2012 18:59:14 GMT 12
Defencetalk doesn't like people putting links out to other forums on their site but it's not the case the other way around; Pretty sure you can happily link in from this site to theirs quite happily. I have been finding the wording it a bit annoying too even with already reading the OPs you are talking about
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 22, 2012 19:12:10 GMT 12
Defencetalk doesn't like people putting links out to other forums on their site but it's not the case the other way around; Pretty sure you can happily link in from this site to theirs quite happily. I have been finding the wording it a bit annoying too even with already reading the OPs you are talking about I'm not sure if you can drop links from other forums into DT. The mods can get a bit funny about things. I could drop a PM to a mod I get on with and find out for sure. It's just that its a good source and I don't want to jepordise things & end up having to take an unwanted holiday.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 22, 2012 22:47:54 GMT 12
If that is the case with linking or giving a source, then simply don't post anything from there here, as it is no better than rumour.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 23, 2012 21:40:45 GMT 12
I just saw on the news update on Prime that Leon Panetta told the PM that the USA is keen to station US troops in New Zealand, if New Zealanders are happy with that.
That could be an interesting turn of events.
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Post by phil82 on Sept 24, 2012 3:19:43 GMT 12
I also note, in passing, that he offered US assistance in bringing everyone home from Afghanistan. That sounds like a few C17 flights to me!
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Post by skyhawkdon on Sept 24, 2012 5:34:01 GMT 12
I just saw on the news update on Prime that Leon Panetta told the PM that the USA is keen to station US troops in New Zealand, if New Zealanders are happy with that. That could be an interesting turn of events. Offer them Ohakea so long as they bring F-16s!
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Post by Ykato on Sept 24, 2012 15:54:13 GMT 12
The E4B is an airborne command post, and the hump on top contains satellite comms equipment. Surprisingly the aircraft is protected against the Electromagnetic pulse of a nuclear explosion, so it can continue to function throughout an attack. see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_E-4The Sec Def always travels in one in case there is an emergency somewhere in the world and he needs to commumicate with his troops in a hurry. I wonder if he gets sick of never having a window to look out of! ABC World News with Di... : 'Doomsday' Plane Ready for Nuclear Attack
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Post by meo4 on Sept 24, 2012 17:34:54 GMT 12
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Post by richard1098 on Sept 24, 2012 20:53:31 GMT 12
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 24, 2012 20:59:48 GMT 12
The link to the Herald story had a couple of others that were interesting. We do walk the slippery path between the two powers. NZDF would buy Russian gear before it would by Chinese, and Russian gear isn't an option. We turned down an offer of Russian ships for butter in the 1990s.
It has to do with compatibily and sustainment. With US gear we can access the appropriate logistics trains quicker and easier than even European gear. Secondly but just as important we have a range of compatible gear with Australia and we and the Aussies are working closer on gear.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Sept 24, 2012 22:50:29 GMT 12
With US gear we can access the appropriate logistics trains quicker and easier than even European gear. Someone is spinning you a line. Unfortunately the US have ITAR.
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 25, 2012 14:47:40 GMT 12
With US gear we can access the appropriate logistics trains quicker and easier than even European gear. Someone is spinning you a line. Unfortunately the US have ITAR. No one his spinning a line. We've been buying defence gear off the US and have been following the prescibed pathways. Yes all foreign defence purchases (except some to the UK and Australia) have to be notified to the US Congress. That is a function of Defense Security Cooperation Agency. Purchases don't occur overnight and we would go thru the US Defence FMS, meaning that we can access US Armed Forces stocks if necessity requires it. I think you need to read ITAR, its history and look at the processes. Fiji is on the US State Department Country Polices and Embargo list and we are not and I don't have the time to plough my way through the Federal Register to determine where NZ sits. Put it this way ITAR has existed since 1976 and we have been buying US arms before & since then even during the US - NZ difficulties. The only problem with US gear and ITAR is getting approval for disposal methodology for it as the A4K debacle shows.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Sept 25, 2012 17:44:02 GMT 12
I have read ITAR cover to cover in fact I have a very well thumbed and flagged copy sitting on my office desk as I get to live the reality on a daily basis.
Disposal is just one of the more visible fishhooks. I assure you there are lot more. It is not easy and it is most definitely is not quick!
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Post by Ykato on Sept 25, 2012 18:24:03 GMT 12
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Post by richard1098 on Sept 25, 2012 19:31:25 GMT 12
I have read ITAR cover to cover in fact I have a very well thumbed and flagged copy sitting on my office desk as I get to live the reality on a daily basis. Disposal is just one of the more visible fishhooks. I assure you there are lot more. It is not easy and it is most definitely is not quick! From a broader "customer experience" perspective, though, anecdotal evidence coming out of ADF is that the C-17 and F-18F FMS acquisitions have been far, far better supported than NH-90 and Tiger. OK, there are differences between those acquisitions, but what's been said leaves me with the impression that the Europeans are more focused on issues like offset deals and workshare arrangements than simple, direct customer support. There's no "hard" proof of that, of course, that there seems to be a common undertone.
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 25, 2012 20:25:57 GMT 12
I have read ITAR cover to cover in fact I have a very well thumbed and flagged copy sitting on my office desk as I get to live the reality on a daily basis. Disposal is just one of the more visible fishhooks. I assure you there are lot more. It is not easy and it is most definitely is not quick! Never said it was easy or quick, but now we are seen as a friend and ally and have the seal of approval so to speak. Hence considering the amount of effort the US is putting into focussing upon the Pacific then it would be to their advantage to ease our way through the system when required.
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Post by skyhawkdon on Sept 26, 2012 4:06:22 GMT 12
Top bloke that Richard Prosser. He was very anti what Helen did to the RNZAF Back in 2001 when he was the Defence reporter for The Dominion Post. Now he is in a real position to do something about it, so good on him. After the next election and National need NZ First support to govern anything is possible!
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