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Post by 43willys on Oct 1, 2010 16:53:49 GMT 12
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Post by angelsonefive on Oct 1, 2010 17:40:22 GMT 12
Good to see the Mossie that flew the pennant from the top of the fuselage. I remember seeing that at an Air force Day at Ohakea. In flight the mast ( I was told it was a whip aerial from a tank ) would bend back until it was level with the top of the fuse. Thanks for posting.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 1, 2010 17:43:48 GMT 12
Great photos Mike. I love that last one!
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Post by agalbraith on Oct 1, 2010 19:08:27 GMT 12
These are great photos guys. Turning into one of my all time favourite threads!!
Thanks for going to all the trouble to post them.
Cheers Anthony
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 1, 2010 21:33:37 GMT 12
I hope the thread inspires you to get back into that 1/48th scale kit you were making Anthony.
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Post by curtiss on Oct 1, 2010 22:21:06 GMT 12
Have run out of NZ Mossie photo's, so here are a few I have taken overseas. RAF Museum Hendon 1985 RR299 of BAE fame which sadly is no more. Taken at North Weald in 1985. IWM Mosquito at Duxford in 1984 or 85. Kermit Weeks RS712 at EAA museum 2006 A pile of aircraft "stuff" at Chino in the mid nineties including a Mosquito Nacelle. It was outside Tallichets compound and is probably from either a Canadian aircraft or the ex RNZAF aircraft that ended up in the States.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 2, 2010 0:14:13 GMT 12
Looking again at the scrapping photos on the first page I can't help thinking that the photos look fairly professional and they seem to be taken on different occasions. You wouldn't normally photograh rubbish/scrap, and photography was expensive back then, so someone must have made a conscious decision that the scrapping was historic and needed to be recorded for future generations to see. I wish they'd gone a step further and saved a couple of the aircraft.
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Post by curtiss on Oct 2, 2010 14:37:59 GMT 12
Cliff told me that he wanted to move complete aircraft to Ashburton but was prevented from doing so as he couldnt get an over width permit to move them on the road. He did however move some cockpit sections to Ashburton and I think the fuselage in the RNZAF museum ( NZ2355/ TE863) also originally came from Cliff. Photos below were taken at Weedons at least 10 years ago.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 2, 2010 16:53:08 GMT 12
Blimey, I never realised the RNZAF Museum example was so complete. I hope it gets restored in the future. They have already built a wing to airworthy standards of course, which was for MOTAT, and man the guys did a lovely job of that.
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Post by ZacYates on Oct 2, 2010 18:24:46 GMT 12
So we could, in say 20yr time, have three ex-RNZAF Mosquitos on display and another flying? Does anyone have further photos of this RNZAF Museum aircraft? This is the first I've seen of it, although I remember hearing of it. Wonderful period photos guys, I've saved a couple as desktop wallpapers.
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Post by baz62 on Oct 2, 2010 20:48:19 GMT 12
When I was volunteering at the RNZAF Museum Ted Packer (who had gathered all the Mossie bits the Museum now owns) did some work on the Porterfield (now with the Ashburton legends!) He had 2 Merlins and two props and pretty much the remains of a fairly complete Mosquito but all in bits and with the wooden structure the major task ahead of him at the time.
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Post by Richard Wesley on Oct 3, 2010 10:06:06 GMT 12
Cliff told me that he wanted to move complete aircraft to Ashburton but was prevented from doing so as he couldnt get an over width permit to move them on the road. He did however move some cockpit sections to Ashburton and I think the fuselage in the RNZAF museum ( NZ2355/ TE863) also originally came from Cliff. Photos below were taken at Weedons at least 10 years ago. Wow, thanks for the RNZAF Museum mossie photos! Those are the first I have seen and I've been on the lookout for years. From my information it was always just a pile of parts with no hope of a restoration. But clearly there are all the major metal components present, and so just like the other restorations it comes down to woodworking time and money. Fingers crossed that far into the future the RNZAF will have an example on display.
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Post by aeromedia on Oct 3, 2010 10:13:32 GMT 12
Cliff Horrell presented a display board a year or two back to the Ashburton Aviation Museum with an actual "axe" used on the Mossies, as the centre-piece. Photos show his nephew, a then very young Les Vincent as part of the "dismantling" crew. I've asked Les how he feels about it all now, given the scarcity and value both historically and financially of a Mosquito, and his reply was," In the context of the day, it was just a job that had to be done."
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Post by denysjones on Oct 3, 2010 12:04:40 GMT 12
The remains of NZ2355 didn't come from Cliff Horrell.
NZ2355 was on the farm of Pat Hayman at Studholme Junction near Waimate. In the early 1970s we looked at it in our search for a fuselage to go with the components of HR339. We made the choice of NZ2328 over NZ2355 as the latter had started to banana and corkscrew as the nose plate was pulling the fuselage apart. It was a tough call as in NZ2355 and in his shed Pat Hayman had a lot of nice pieces of equipment fit.
NZ2355 was later acquired by Phil Burns and Ted Packer and thence made her way to Wigram after Burns and Packer parted company and then Ted eventually saw the reality of the enormity of the task.
There is also a follow on in respect of the comment that Cliff Horrell couldn't get a permit to move a mossie because of width. That's not the entire story the other is that in those days road transport was subject to a 50mile limit to protect the railways and exemptions had to be got to exceed that.
NZ2328 and NZ2355 made the journey from Woodbourne to Oamaru and Waimate by way of the fact that Pat Hayman's father was an MP so that's how they got around the issue for NZ2355. NZ2328 made it to Jas Clark in the same way because Clark was Hayman's cousin.
Anyway that's what they told us so I'd say it is true.
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Post by aeromedia on Oct 3, 2010 12:34:47 GMT 12
Yep Denys, . . thats how Cliff told it to me too.
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Post by pjw4118 on Oct 13, 2010 9:04:48 GMT 12
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Post by rod on Oct 13, 2010 10:14:39 GMT 12
excellent photos there, do you have anymore of the last ones zk bcv etc, Dave posted a list on page 3 of the numbers, will be fantastic if there are some,, Oh BCV is the one that went to the states isnt it Dave?
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Post by shorty on Oct 13, 2010 10:17:45 GMT 12
photos of all the civvy one exist on the forum. Try the search function
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Post by rod on Oct 13, 2010 12:23:03 GMT 12
ok, thanks Shorty, going to be a long night!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 13, 2010 15:19:11 GMT 12
Rod, if the forum's own search function is no good for what you want, there's a second search engine provided by Google at the bottom of each page which if you click on the right hand white dot will search the forum only, and it usually has pretty good results.
What would those patches on NZ2324 be in Peter's photo? Are they skin repairs of some sort that have been doped? Or are that covering markings? It seems a bit of an odd place to see them.
TA385 looks as if it has been sitting under the pigeons. Great photos once again Peter, and thanks too to Don Noble for taking them.
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