$1b of new hardware on military wishlist

[beagle]

the A400 looks like what we need, maybe not the same number as the herks as something smaller as well would be good. C27 would be good but cost wise, the 295 would be more viable.

[30sqnatc]

flyjoe180 said:

The A400

A refuelling probe there's a role for the Macchi's, to give a little top up ;D

[Barnsey]

A refuelling probe there's a role for the Macchi's, to give a little top up

How??

the A400 looks like what we need, maybe not the same number as the herks as something smaller as well would be good. C27 would be good but cost wise, the 295 would be more viable.

If the future NZ government really wants to follow through with the current doctrine of "the Air Force is there to support the Army", then they should be considering at least the same number of future transport aircraft.

NZ's peace-keeping / peace-enforcement bias requires an initial rapid deployment of forces, and the ability to quickly airlift a viable number of LAVs, troops and equipment, without relying on the support of others. NZ shouldn't be the one left begging for a lift! I think that would mean that 5 A400 sized aircraft is the absolute minimum - 3 for ops, 1 in deep servicing, 1 for training/unserviceable.

I do agree that the NZDF should purchase a fleet of tactical transports. The future deployment of a number of large helicopters, LAVs, troops and support personnel will place increased demands on an already stretched logistics system, so fat it out with a few more capable airframes.

Here's the A400 cargo box dimensions:
Length (excluding ramp) 17.71 m
Width 4.00 m
Height 3.85 m
Max. Payload 37.0 t

Here's what Wiki says is the LAV III dimensions:
Weight 16.95 t
Length 6.98 m
Width 2.7 m
Height 2.8 m

Lots of options, which is what all those staff-types in JFHQ love (not the ability to fly 1 stripped down LAV across the Tasman - just)

Using EADS internet figures, each A400 would be able to deploy with a LAV and 8 tons of personnel and equipment for approx 3000nm (Ohakea to Darwin or easily to Scherger / Townsville). With 2 LAVs on board, it'd take a stop in Amberley before reaching Darwin. From there, Asia or the South West Pacific is a relaxing flight away.

A few days later, HMNZS Canterbury comes steaming over the horizon.

3 Services - 1 Force, or something like that. Jointery, I love it. Except I seem to missing indigenous air support from this....!

[andyc]

barnsey said:

If the future NZ government really wants to follow through with the current doctrine of "the Air Force is there to support the Army"

So what happens if the Army needs to call in an airstrike? Or has Clark got a squadron of A10s hidden under the Beehive?




Andy