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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jul 23, 2013 20:05:22 GMT 12
The Queensland Aviation Museum have an interesting project underway to raise funds in order to recover Douglas DC-6 c/n.43127/133 from South Africa and return it to Australia for restoration and eventual display. • BCPA DC-6 VH-BPG “Adventure”This particular DC-6 (along with three sisters) was originally built for the Swedish airline ABA, but delivered new to British Commonwealth Pacific Airlines and operated on the parallel routes from Sydney and Auckland to North America, then operated by both TEAL and the RNZAF before being sold and seeing further service in North America, then eventually ending up in the African continent.
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Post by phil82 on Jul 23, 2013 20:39:24 GMT 12
Best of luck with that one!I spent three weeks in one of them, then RNZAF,flying from the UK to NZ via the Azores,Bermuda,South Carolina,Oklahoma,Las Vegas,San Francisco,Hawaii,Fiji to Whenuapai.We were stuck in San Fran for ten days awaiting a tail wind to guarantee making Hawaii! Lovely way to fly though,like a big Dak really.
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Post by beagle on Jul 23, 2013 20:45:47 GMT 12
I remember when on 40, that we found out that one of the ex sqn Dc6's was in Indonesia but possible could be flown home and there was suggestions about some Adventure Training with guys going up and having a look etc. Nothing ever happened.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jul 23, 2013 21:48:08 GMT 12
Douglas DC-6 c/n 43127 A long and complex history. SE-BDI VH-BPG ZK-BGB NZ3632, later CF-PWP, N254N, N333SQ, N80MA, 9Q-CPL, EL-WNH WFU Lanseria airfield, Johannesburg
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Post by ron on Jul 24, 2013 11:09:19 GMT 12
Thanks for starting this thread. The Queensland Air Museum will be pleased to hear from anyone who can add to the history of this aeroplane (see link in first post). We are particularly looking for photos of the interior. Please post here or email QAM at admin@qam.com.au
Regards Ron
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 24, 2013 11:35:03 GMT 12
It's great to see one of these ex-RNZAF transports is being preserved.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jul 24, 2013 15:58:33 GMT 12
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Post by John L on Jul 29, 2013 2:41:59 GMT 12
Not this one is it?
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jul 29, 2013 9:32:55 GMT 12
Can't see the rego on it unfortunately.
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Post by ron on Jul 29, 2013 9:35:44 GMT 12
No,not the same aircraft although it does embody some parts from EL-WNH.
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Post by brendanodell on Jul 29, 2013 15:55:00 GMT 12
The aircraft in the video above is ZS-MUL - interesting data here : dc-6.co.za/45329.htm43127 is unfortunately in a very sad condition on the Lanseria Fire dunp and was used as a parts donor for ZS-MUL. Photos of its last years of flying and eventual fate are here: dc-6.co.za/43127.htmRecovery of the cockpit for display could be an option though? I worked on 43127 for a little bit in the late '90's and I still have the Illustrated Parts Catalog that came with the aircraft all the way from its TEAL days. The "Baby" six was well loved by all who were involved with it.
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Post by ron on Jul 30, 2013 18:32:59 GMT 12
That's the fallback option but QAM's objective is recovery of the entire airframe.
Rgds
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 21, 2013 21:00:41 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Nov 22, 2013 20:56:21 GMT 12
It should be NZ restoring it
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Post by agile on Nov 23, 2013 16:14:02 GMT 12
It should be NZ restoring it OK, I'll bite. No it shouldn't. A very professional team, with a history of successfully pulling off challenging projects has shown the vision and ambition to have a crack at saving this aircraft, which is part of Australia's aviation heritage too - why not be greatful for that. Shout yourself a trip to Aus. to admire it if and when it's done, rather than moaning about how NZ (whoever or whatever you had in mind) should be doing it, while it rots away.
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Post by suthg on Nov 23, 2013 21:40:28 GMT 12
I think Beags was just wishful thinking, all functional rebuild resources in NZ, I guess are spoken for and probably over committed already I agree, the plane is part of both countrys' heritages and if they have the space and resources to pull it off, then let it be, and dig in your pockets for a three week trip to Aussie based around visiting some museums and an airshow and support them in their endeavours.
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Post by phil82 on Nov 24, 2013 6:44:44 GMT 12
The three RNZAF DC6 were parked on the dead runway at Whenuapai after being withdrawn from service,and came close to being wiped out by an ANZ [or was is still TEAL?] Electra "Akaroa" which was doing some unneccessary training landing. As Akaroa's speed dropped below 140 knots the aeroplane landed very heavily, collapsing the landing gear; Akaroa shed wings, engines, tailplane and tail as she skidded off the runway and across the grass towards the control tower, and,eventually, the three DC6! Fortunately for all, the Electra didn't get that far! TEAL salvaged what they could from the wreck and the remains were quickly pushed into a gully behind the NAC hangars before the public saw them.
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Post by errolmartyn on Nov 24, 2013 12:12:24 GMT 12
The three RNZAF DC6 were parked on the dead runway at Whenuapai after being withdrawn from service,and came close to being wiped out by an ANZ [or was is still TEAL?] Electra "Akaroa" which was doing some unneccessary training landing. As Akaroa's speed dropped below 140 knots the aeroplane landed very heavily, collapsing the landing gear; Akaroa shed wings, engines, tailplane and tail as she skidded off the runway and across the grass towards the control tower, and,eventually, the three DC6! Fortunately for all, the Electra didn't get that far! TEAL salvaged what they could from the wreck and the remains were quickly pushed into a gully behind the NAC hangars before the public saw them. The accident, coincidentally, occurred just days before TEAL became Air New Zealand. From Wikipedia: On March 27, 1965, Teal's Lockheed Electra L-188 ZK-TEC Akaroa, crashed during a training flight at Whenuapai. The airline had done the following manoeuvre many times before: the Electra, flying at precisely 140kts, could be flown over the runway threshold, throttled back to idle to drop almost vertically and land on the runway. As this would never be done on a passenger flight; the reason for the procedure remains a mystery. Onboard were a captain, a check captain, a flight engineer, a navigator; the airline's industrial personnel officer and an emergency procedures officer standing behind them. As Akaroa's speed dropped below 140 knots the aeroplane landed very heavily, collapsing the landing gear; Akaroa shed wings, engines, tailplane and tail as she skidded off the runway and across the grass towards the control tower. Somehow, the two standing officers stayed standing, the fire extinguishers were turned on and everyone was evacuated through the cockpit windows, with one man burning his hand on the escape rope. TEAL salvaged what they could from the wreck and the remains were quickly pushed into a gully behind the NAC hangars before the public saw them. The crash took place in the early hours of the morning. The training procedure was quickly deleted from TEAL's manuals. TEAL purchased a replacement Electra from Qantas after it changed its name to Air New Zealand on 1 April 1965. A couple of photos may be found here: aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19650327-0Errol
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Nov 24, 2013 12:59:58 GMT 12
What were they doing? A BETA approach that went wrong? I heard a wee whisper years ago that was what they were up to. That manoeuvre is fun in a Pilatus Porter skiplane getting into a tight spot on a glacier or snowfield, or even into Mount Cook Airport as seen here.... I was on that flight, sitting up in the front right-hand seat. I talked the pilot into carrying out a BETA approach to Mount Cook Airport without first telling my friends in the back. Don't try that, folks, in a Cessna 172 or a Boeing 737, or you may end up leaving a hole in the runway and a pile of smoking wreckage. And be very careful if you try it with a Lockheed L.188 Electra, or you may stuff-up the landing gear....
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Post by steveh on Nov 24, 2013 16:26:55 GMT 12
An interesting thread, & I for one would make a point of checking something like this out on a trip to Oz. The clip that JonL posted up shows an impressively low slow approach with wheels right on the threshold at touchdown imho. Thanks, I enjoyed it. Steve.
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