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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 3, 2013 23:22:36 GMT 12
Kiwi Defence Force leaves for AntarcticaNew Zealand Defence Force staff are preparing to head to Antarctica as the summer season kicks off. This season things will be done a bit differently, with Kiwi personnel the first to hit the ice. Usually it's an American C-17 aircraft that heads down first. The first team left this morning on an RNZAF Boeing 757. It's been no easy task for the RNZAF. Defence Force staff have under gone pre-deployment training in Christchurch to prepare for working on the ice. Commanding Officer Matt Hill says it's a huge job to prepare for. "We train for this and build up to it so it's not something that's taken lightly," he says. "Risks are assessed and mitigated and we see the crews trained and we do this to give them experience." The Defence Force will be overseeing operations and making sure things run smoothly. "We have to prepare getting the crews ready, so that involves their survival training, personal preparation, flight qualifications and then actually getting down there and doing the flights themselves to expose crews to the mission," says Mr Hill. The man in charge of operations, Grahame Ayres, says making sure things go according to plan isn't an easy task. "We invest a lot of time in training, we spend a lot of time with individuals talking about what their aspirations are, what they want to get out of the experience." Today's crew to head down won't be the last; tomorrow an RNZAF Hercules will fly down with cargo – another difficult operation for the teams to pull off. 3 News Read more: www.3news.co.nz/Kiwi-Defence-Force-leaves-for-Antarctica/tabid/423/articleID/315696/Default.aspx#ixzz2genbAWTS
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Post by beagle on Oct 4, 2013 20:54:04 GMT 12
watched the Herk take off today, low and lumbering along. Had my camera but a fence and building in the way for close up.
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Post by fergi on Oct 5, 2013 9:18:46 GMT 12
Would think that it would be at max take off to go there, any fuel would be good fuel.
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Post by sqwark2k on Oct 8, 2013 7:17:50 GMT 12
RNZAF 757 with Government officials on board landed on the ice below minimal due to weather deteriating after the PNR (point of no return). They held overhead for 2.5hrs hoping for improvement, then made the emergency landing. Well done that crew!
Prob going to highlight the need for AirNZ's b767 ice charters as they have the fuel to go there and back if weather packs in.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 8, 2013 12:43:06 GMT 12
Saw the article on TV3 news site. Out of interest does anyone know what the minimum height/visibility for the approach is? What type of approach is it?
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Post by flyjoe180 on Oct 8, 2013 12:55:21 GMT 12
Since found it is a Microwave Landing System supported with TACAN and PAPI lights. Apparently there is a white out landing zone which is a 20 square mile piece of flat ice just past the skiway. If pilots can't see enough to safely touch down, they descend very gently onto the flat ice well past any facilities in white out conditions. They then turn around and use the navigation aids to taxi back to the strip. It took a while to find that info, the US Government websites are of no use to anyone at the moment due to funding (or lack thereof).
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 8, 2013 13:14:22 GMT 12
Remember the Virgin 737 that landed on the runway at Mildura - basically landed in fog whiteout using GPS
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 9, 2013 9:29:12 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Oct 9, 2013 20:44:56 GMT 12
Nothing left CHC today. The C17 was supossed to go with some of our fine bread but saw it still sitting there after I finished work. The B757 was not there but maybe had returned to WP or was it still down there.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 9, 2013 21:30:21 GMT 12
One of our Boeings is with the PM at APEC today, I saw it on the news. he was meeting with a Sultan (of brunei?) next to it.
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 29, 2015 11:56:18 GMT 12
RNZAF 757 with Government officials on board landed on the ice below minimal due to weather deteriating after the PNR (point of no return). They held overhead for 2.5hrs hoping for improvement, then made the emergency landing. Well done that crew! Prob going to highlight the need for AirNZ's b767 ice charters as they have the fuel to go there and back if weather packs in. TAIC Report is out PDF
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 29, 2015 13:40:55 GMT 12
Final report AO-2013-009 | Page 25 Criticism of Risk Assessment before supplementary type certificate was issued giving approval for Antarctic operations.
History showed that the weather had deteriorated to or below approach minima after an aeroplane passed the PSR (Point of Safe Return) on only two occasions out of 650 Antarctica flights in 48 years. The likelihood of this occurring was therefore reasonably low. What was missing from the risk assessment were the potential end consequences of an event such as this occurring when using the Boeing 757, compared with those when using the Hercules aircraft. The consequence of not being able to complete a visual or instrument approach successfully was the same for both aircraft – a whiteout landing. However, in the event of this occurring the likelihood of injury was significantly greater for the Boeing 757, with its long landing gear supporting low-slung engines on a low wing, than it was for the Hercules with its rough-field landing capabilities. 4.5.4. Compared with the Hercules, the Boeing 757 had limited alternative approach options or aerodromes available in the event of the weather suddenly deteriorating below instrument approach minima. The Hercules was fitted with a tactical air navigation system, commonly called TACAN, enabling it to fly a range of additional instrument approaches to the various airfields and runways. The Hercules could divert to Terra Nova Bay, subject to weather conditions. As a final resort it could also land either at Williams Field or in the whiteout area, albeit sustaining damage. The only option noted in the risk profile for the Boeing was a “blind” landing off an instrument approach. From a risk perspective then, the likelihood of the weather closing in was low, but the potential consequences for Boeing 757 operations were significantly more serious than were those for the Hercules aircraft.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 29, 2015 15:15:01 GMT 12
Just shows how skilful the crew was that there was no damage or injuries in the event.
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Post by frankly on Jan 29, 2015 15:22:17 GMT 12
3.5.4. In July 2006 a Cabinet Business Committee accepted the advice that Antarctic operations with the Boeing 757 were neither safe nor practicable. However, in December 2006 the Cabinet Policy Committee agreed on the importance of New Zealand retaining a strategic air supply capability for continued Antarctic operations. The committee identified this as a core defence output and concluded that the Boeing 757 as a passenger aeroplane could complement the United States’ C17 Globemaster transport aeroplane, with the Hercules continuing to support both passenger and cargo requirements as required.
Part of the upgrades from 2007 onwards included comms and nav equipment (Nav equipment was identified as being inadequate prior to mods)
It will be interesting how heavily this weighs on the C-17 eval.
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Post by beagle on Jan 29, 2015 16:43:45 GMT 12
yes interesting it didn't mention the differences between C130, C17, C5 and B757
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 29, 2015 17:15:13 GMT 12
yes interesting it didn't mention the differences between C130, C17, C5 and B757 Which aspects? C-5 isn't used any more, is it? 4.5.13. The Boeing 757 and Hercules are two large aircraft operating between New Zealand and Antarctica that require PSRs. The New York Air National Guard Hercules aeroplanes are ski equipped and have the option of diverting to unprepared areas if required. The Australian modified civil Airbus A319 does not normally operate with a PSR unless it is heavily loaded. The United States C17 Globemaster usually has a PSR some 20-30 minutes out from landing at McMurdo. This equates to about the start of the descent for landing. For the C17 Globemaster to continue past the PSR, it requires a minimum 1,500-foot cloud base and visibility of 4,800 m.
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Post by beagle on Jan 29, 2015 17:39:28 GMT 12
yeah, didn't read the full report till after posting. They must bring the C5 only to chch now to off load and the rest take that equipment south.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 29, 2015 22:53:44 GMT 12
The other aircraft that past the point of no return from Christchurch and had to carry on was a C-121J Super Constellation which landed in white out on the 8th of October 1970. It hit a snow bank and the starboard undercarriage collapsed. The 12 crew and 68 passengers survived, with only five having minor injuries. The aircraft was named Pegasus, and the runway at Antarctica on the Ross Sea Shelf is now named Pegasus after it.
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 30, 2015 8:59:14 GMT 12
Hey, photo op time!
Chief Of Air Force @caf_NZ
Great way to start 2015 - visiting the NZDF team in Antarctica. Good job /photo/1
30 Jan 2015 8:48 via iOS
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Post by ErrolC on Jan 30, 2015 9:12:54 GMT 12
The other aircraft that past the point of no return from Christchurch and had to carry on was a C-121J Super Constellation which landed in white out on the 8th of October 1970. It hit a snow bank and the starboard undercarriage collapsed. The 12 crew and 68 passengers survived, with only five having minor injuries. The aircraft was named Pegasus, and the runway at Antarctica on the Ross Sea Shelf is now named Pegasus after it. The Airplane Geeks podcast now has a weekly report from a scientist on The Ice. The text of his report about Pegasus is at sites.google.com/site/airplanegeeksonice/home/report-2
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