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Post by McFly on Jun 21, 2014 23:00:02 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Jun 21, 2014 23:09:48 GMT 12
was there any vids done for Kestrel
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Post by phil82 on Jun 22, 2014 16:13:07 GMT 12
Why the hell do you think it has a bomb bay? It has the capability to drop torpedoes, depth charge bombs and conventional bombs. True, but that capability is an adjunct of its main role. Let Lockheed have a say!"The Lockheed P-3 Orion is a four-engine turboprop anti-submarine and maritime surveillance aircraft developed for the United States Navy and introduced in the 1960s. Lockheed based it on the L-188 Electra commercial airliner.[3] The aircraft is easily recognizable from the Electra by its distinctive tail stinger or "MAD Boom", used for the magnetic detection of submarines. Over the years, the aircraft has seen numerous design advancements, most notably to its electronics packages. The P-3 Orion is still in use by numerous navies and air forces around the world, primarily for maritime patrol, reconnaissance, anti-surface warfare and anti-submarine warfare. A total of 734 P-3s have been built, and during 2012, it joined the handful of military aircraft including the Boeing B-52 Stratofortress and Boeing KC-135 Stratotanker that have served 50 years of continuous use by the United States military. The U.S. Navy's remaining P-3C aircraft will eventually be replaced by the P-8A Poseidon". Of the 734 aircraft built, not one user describes it's role as "bomber". Nor does Lockheed. The P3 is no more a bomber than the Strikemaster is a "jet fighter".
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 22, 2014 17:43:29 GMT 12
Semantics. It carries bombs in an offensive manner and thus is a bomber.End of...
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Post by conman on Jun 22, 2014 18:51:07 GMT 12
Configure it for JDAMs and it would be a persistent precision strike platform
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Post by phil on Jun 22, 2014 18:58:51 GMT 12
The bombs are configured for use as 'depth bombs' in the anti submarine role.
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Post by raymond on Jun 22, 2014 21:18:51 GMT 12
The P3 is no more a bomber than the Strikemaster is a "jet fighter". Designed to get you “up there, turning and burning” in our BAC Strikemaster Mk. 88, the INTRODUCTORY mission is a 15 minute adventure joy flight letting you experience first hand the thrill of flight in an ex-military jet fighter. www.jetfighter.co.nz/index.phpsorry but.....
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Post by baronbeeza on Jun 22, 2014 21:30:08 GMT 12
Should that be Strikemaster bomber then ?
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Post by TS on Jun 25, 2014 21:22:15 GMT 12
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Post by nige on Jun 25, 2014 22:33:37 GMT 12
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Post by Bruce on Jun 25, 2014 23:07:16 GMT 12
If the flare is the aiming point, I think they may need some more practice....
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Aug 11, 2014 17:02:17 GMT 12
from Fairfax NZ News....Bombs driven from Auckland to OhakeaBy MICHAEL FIELD | 12:14PM - Monday, 11 August 2014HIGH EXPLOSIVE weapons are taken by truck through Auckland and the North Island because of rules around loading aircraft at Auckland's Whenuapai air force base.
The revelation in the latest addition of Air Force News follows the mystery bangs that rattled Auckland in June.
The Royal New Zealand Air Force admitted the bangs were caused by their P3K Orion aircraft dropping 227kg bombs at the Kaipara Air Weapons range, 65km north west of downtown Auckland.
Unusual atmospherics meant the explosions from the US manufactured bombs — which cost around $2,500 each — was heard and felt over the city.
Air Force News says the “bombing up” or loading of the Orions had to take place at rural-based Ohakea, 375km south of Auckland.
This was because “hazardous substance law prevents our armourers from loading (high explosive) ordnance at Whenuapai (unless we are at war) as it is a high density area.”
The 36 bombs needed for the exercise were in magazines in Waiouru and were driven on State Highway One to Ohakea.
The air force needed to “obtain the correct gazetting and licensing” to move the bombs and had to let local authorities know.
They also needed to move a single torpedo holding 44kg of plastic explosive from Auckland to Ohakea.
It was taken from the high security but decidedly residential Kauri Point in the upper Waitemata and driven through Birkenhead before reaching the motorway.
“It only took a day to drive the torpedo down from Auckland and the truck required an escort and safety vehicle,” Air Force News reported.
“The NZ Police were also notified that we were transporting this high explosive ordnance via the State Highway...”
The article did not disclose the route and whether it went over the harbour bridge but it presumably had to negotiate Auckland's central motorway interchange, Spaghetti Junction.
Unlike the bombs, the live torpedo was not dropped from an Orion — New Zealand does not have a torpedo testing range.www.stuff.co.nz/national/10371031/Bombs-driven-from-Auckland-to-Ohakea
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Post by saratoga on Aug 11, 2014 17:19:44 GMT 12
'Revelation' ,my arse!
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Aug 11, 2014 17:25:52 GMT 12
....I was wondering how long it would take for somebody to bite....
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Post by Andy Wright on Aug 11, 2014 18:15:30 GMT 12
Cheap bombs.
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Post by saratoga on Aug 11, 2014 18:28:32 GMT 12
More quality 'cut and paste' from NZs finest journalists!
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Post by phil on Aug 11, 2014 18:42:59 GMT 12
Seems Mr Field's source was....
The Air Force News.
In fact it doesn't so much read like an article about transporting weapons, it reads like an article about an article about transporting weapons.
And despite his best efforts to make is sound somehow terribly dangerous, I guess he should be thanked for pointing out that the NZDF scrupulously complied with HSNO and the road transport regulations.
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Post by beagle on Aug 11, 2014 20:24:47 GMT 12
what's wrong with a cavernous cabin hold of a C130
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 11, 2014 20:53:04 GMT 12
44kg warhead on the torpedo, that's what, about 100 lb of explosives? I don't know much about these things but that seems pretty small when I think about the fact our Baffins and Vildebeests carried 250 lb bombs and they were pretty ineffectual. Would 44kg of explosives actually have much affect on the hull of a modern warship? Phil? Or does it work differently underwater?
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Post by beagle on Aug 11, 2014 21:15:40 GMT 12
I should have said, carry the bombs, not the torpedo. would the bombs have been inert before arriving at Ohakea
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