Post by Peter Lewis on Jul 8, 2014 21:52:42 GMT 12
From Des Lines at the General Aviation Advocacy Group of New Zealand:
Fellow aviators
Many of you will have already received an email notification of the proposed CAA funding review seminars at a limited number of locations around NZ, and starting at an inconvenient time and day.
We have sent the attached letter to the Director. It suggests that a fairer and less discriminatory approach would be to use the same locations, venues and timing that have previously been used for AvKiwi seminars.
We will be posting this information, and our view of the CAA's action, on the GAA website.
If you wish to express an opinion on how this first stage of consultation is being handled by the CAA, please first check the Authority's announcement at
www.caa.govt.nz/funding/index.html
and then either email your feedback to GAA or to the CAA Director, GraemeHarris, at
graeme.harris@caa.govt.nz
If we are to influence how matters proceed, it is essential that we all actquickly to oppose the Authority's plan.
Kind regards
Des Lines and Brian Mackie
Letter:
July 8 2014
Dear Graeme
Funding review seminars
The published schedule of funding review seminars has been received with astonishment by aviators around New Zealand.
This schedule is discriminatory and unfair to a great number of interested parties.
If it was intended to be the beginning of meaningful consultation by the CAA, the Authority has fallen at the first hurdle.
The chosen venues and times are contrived to allow for minimum attendance by GA pilots and organisations. To make a 9.30am start at, for example, Palmerston North, a participant from Wairoa would either have to leave home at about 5.30am, or pay for overnight accommodation.
The location of this limited number of venues seriously disadvantages those living far from them.
Furthermore, attendance for many will incur the loss of at least one entire day's earnings.
There was ample time for this schedule to have been better constructed, working with representative GA organisations. Why was this not done?
When the CAA promotes its annual series of evening AvKiwi safety seminars, they are designed to reach the maximum number of participants in GA, and the record shows that they do. This is in stark contrast to the funding review seminar programme.
I remind you of the Court of Appeal Decision 1992 regarding “Consultation”
Wellington International Airport Limited and others v Air New Zealand [1993] 1 NZLR 671, at p. 675. Judgment of the Court of Appeal delivered by McKay J quoting McGechan J in the High Court in Air New Zealand and others v Wellington International Airport Limited and others, HC, Wellington, CP 403-91, Jan 6, 1992:
"Consultation must allow sufficient time, and a genuine effort must be made. It is a reality, not a charade. The concept is grasped most clearly by an approach in principle. To 'consult' is not merely to 'tell' or 'present'.”
We request that you immediately withdraw this current schedule and instead work on a programme including the locations, venues and times that have previously been used for AvKiwi seminars.
Starting from the north and working down the country, AvKiwi seminars were held, for example, in:
Kerikeri (Bay of Islands Aero Club)
Whangarei (Recreational Flying Club)
North Shore (North Shore Aero Club)
Ardmore (Auckland Aero Club)
Hamilton (CTC Aviation Training)
Feilding (Flight Training Manawatu)
Hastings (Aerial Mapping Hangar)
New Plymouth (New Plymouth Aero Club)
Palmerston North (Massey University Campus)
Paraparaumu (Otaihanga Boating Club)
Masterton (ATC Building Hood Aerodrome)
Taupo (Suncourt Hotel and Conference Centre)
Gisborne (Gisborne Aero Club)
Tauranga (Tauranga Aero Club)
In the South Island, AvKiwi seminars were held in:
Motueka (Nelson Aviation College)
Nelson Aerodrome (Nelson Aero Club)
Omaka Aerodrome (Marlborough Aero Club)
Hokitika Aerodrome (Hokitika Aero Club)
Christchurch Aerodrome (International Aviation Academy)
Franz Josef Aerodrome (Air Safaris Terminal Building)
Ashburton Aerodrome ( Mid-Canterbury Aero Club)
Wanaka (St John Ambulance Centre)
Queenstown (St John Ambulance Centre)
Invercargill Aerodrome (Southland Aero Club)
Dunedin (Mercure Dunedin Leisure Lodge Hotel)
Oamaru Aerodrome (North Otago Aero Club)
Timaru Aerodrome (South Canterbury Aero Club)
Start times were scheduled at 7pm and this resulted in good attendances - which is what the CAA should be aiming for, if this round of consultations is not to look like a charade. The majority of GA aviators are in employment and they cannot attend daytime meetings during workdays without incurring a financial loss. Also affected are organisations, which have their daytime businesses to attend to - again precluding them from attending during a working day.
The president of one significant North Island aero club has already told us:
"Yes I had noted the CAA review locations. I had already decided not to go. Just too far and a day off work."
You might also consider either shortening the seminar period to between 90 minutes and 2 hours (while providing comprehensive background documentation for later study and distribution to non-attendees) or bringing forward the start time to 6pm, to allow participants enough time to return home at a reasonable hour.
If your proposals are sufficiently detailed as to require a three-hour presentation that also allows for discussion, it follows that the series of seminars must also be redesigned to present them to the widest possible audience, with the minimum of cost and inconvenience to CAA clients. Your present plan does not meet these requirements. We therefore ask you to withdraw this plan and order it to be changed, and prepare a new set of venues that allows the CAA to present its ideas to a more representative audience. This also has consequences for your deadline for submissions.
Yours sincerely
Des Lines
Fellow aviators
Many of you will have already received an email notification of the proposed CAA funding review seminars at a limited number of locations around NZ, and starting at an inconvenient time and day.
We have sent the attached letter to the Director. It suggests that a fairer and less discriminatory approach would be to use the same locations, venues and timing that have previously been used for AvKiwi seminars.
We will be posting this information, and our view of the CAA's action, on the GAA website.
If you wish to express an opinion on how this first stage of consultation is being handled by the CAA, please first check the Authority's announcement at
www.caa.govt.nz/funding/index.html
and then either email your feedback to GAA or to the CAA Director, GraemeHarris, at
graeme.harris@caa.govt.nz
If we are to influence how matters proceed, it is essential that we all actquickly to oppose the Authority's plan.
Kind regards
Des Lines and Brian Mackie
Letter:
July 8 2014
Dear Graeme
Funding review seminars
The published schedule of funding review seminars has been received with astonishment by aviators around New Zealand.
This schedule is discriminatory and unfair to a great number of interested parties.
If it was intended to be the beginning of meaningful consultation by the CAA, the Authority has fallen at the first hurdle.
The chosen venues and times are contrived to allow for minimum attendance by GA pilots and organisations. To make a 9.30am start at, for example, Palmerston North, a participant from Wairoa would either have to leave home at about 5.30am, or pay for overnight accommodation.
The location of this limited number of venues seriously disadvantages those living far from them.
Furthermore, attendance for many will incur the loss of at least one entire day's earnings.
There was ample time for this schedule to have been better constructed, working with representative GA organisations. Why was this not done?
When the CAA promotes its annual series of evening AvKiwi safety seminars, they are designed to reach the maximum number of participants in GA, and the record shows that they do. This is in stark contrast to the funding review seminar programme.
I remind you of the Court of Appeal Decision 1992 regarding “Consultation”
Wellington International Airport Limited and others v Air New Zealand [1993] 1 NZLR 671, at p. 675. Judgment of the Court of Appeal delivered by McKay J quoting McGechan J in the High Court in Air New Zealand and others v Wellington International Airport Limited and others, HC, Wellington, CP 403-91, Jan 6, 1992:
"Consultation must allow sufficient time, and a genuine effort must be made. It is a reality, not a charade. The concept is grasped most clearly by an approach in principle. To 'consult' is not merely to 'tell' or 'present'.”
We request that you immediately withdraw this current schedule and instead work on a programme including the locations, venues and times that have previously been used for AvKiwi seminars.
Starting from the north and working down the country, AvKiwi seminars were held, for example, in:
Kerikeri (Bay of Islands Aero Club)
Whangarei (Recreational Flying Club)
North Shore (North Shore Aero Club)
Ardmore (Auckland Aero Club)
Hamilton (CTC Aviation Training)
Feilding (Flight Training Manawatu)
Hastings (Aerial Mapping Hangar)
New Plymouth (New Plymouth Aero Club)
Palmerston North (Massey University Campus)
Paraparaumu (Otaihanga Boating Club)
Masterton (ATC Building Hood Aerodrome)
Taupo (Suncourt Hotel and Conference Centre)
Gisborne (Gisborne Aero Club)
Tauranga (Tauranga Aero Club)
In the South Island, AvKiwi seminars were held in:
Motueka (Nelson Aviation College)
Nelson Aerodrome (Nelson Aero Club)
Omaka Aerodrome (Marlborough Aero Club)
Hokitika Aerodrome (Hokitika Aero Club)
Christchurch Aerodrome (International Aviation Academy)
Franz Josef Aerodrome (Air Safaris Terminal Building)
Ashburton Aerodrome ( Mid-Canterbury Aero Club)
Wanaka (St John Ambulance Centre)
Queenstown (St John Ambulance Centre)
Invercargill Aerodrome (Southland Aero Club)
Dunedin (Mercure Dunedin Leisure Lodge Hotel)
Oamaru Aerodrome (North Otago Aero Club)
Timaru Aerodrome (South Canterbury Aero Club)
Start times were scheduled at 7pm and this resulted in good attendances - which is what the CAA should be aiming for, if this round of consultations is not to look like a charade. The majority of GA aviators are in employment and they cannot attend daytime meetings during workdays without incurring a financial loss. Also affected are organisations, which have their daytime businesses to attend to - again precluding them from attending during a working day.
The president of one significant North Island aero club has already told us:
"Yes I had noted the CAA review locations. I had already decided not to go. Just too far and a day off work."
You might also consider either shortening the seminar period to between 90 minutes and 2 hours (while providing comprehensive background documentation for later study and distribution to non-attendees) or bringing forward the start time to 6pm, to allow participants enough time to return home at a reasonable hour.
If your proposals are sufficiently detailed as to require a three-hour presentation that also allows for discussion, it follows that the series of seminars must also be redesigned to present them to the widest possible audience, with the minimum of cost and inconvenience to CAA clients. Your present plan does not meet these requirements. We therefore ask you to withdraw this plan and order it to be changed, and prepare a new set of venues that allows the CAA to present its ideas to a more representative audience. This also has consequences for your deadline for submissions.
Yours sincerely
Des Lines