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Post by haughtney1 on Oct 19, 2014 2:55:13 GMT 12
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Post by bounce on Oct 19, 2014 4:38:21 GMT 12
Indeed. They had the descent below MSA into Queenstown 18 months or so ago too. That one being due to an open descent rather than managed descent as the crew believed.
I've heard the opinion that the LCC model with demanding schedules, flight ops pressure, etc, all makes mode/energy/configuration issues more likely to either happen or take longer to resolve. Of course it can happen to legacy carriers too (AF for example).
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Post by baz62 on Oct 19, 2014 8:38:11 GMT 12
Man I take my hat off to you guys flying these aircraft. I know my limitations.......a single manual throttle is it!  |
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Post by Darren Masters on Oct 21, 2014 17:51:35 GMT 12
Another reason that it is a dumb design whereby the thrust levers DO NOT move when in auto thrust mode (unlike the Boeing).
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Post by haughtney1 on Oct 22, 2014 1:44:43 GMT 12
Trouble is Darren, even us Boeing drivers can conspire to cock it up, witnessed by the outstanding display in SFO by Asiana. it's a sad fact that many national airlines around the world are populated with pilots who have never really flown anything other than a bug smasher for 150hrs or so, before moving onto a 80 ton CAT3 B capable, flight envelope protected, rate controlled flying device.
Airbus when they introduced the 320 made a specific point that the envelope protection protected the pilots and the passengers..without ever considering that the airline bean counters would use this as the basis to reduce the overall training footprint and cost, along the way it also gave a great many ego's in a more than few ivory towers an inflated opinion of their capabilities and competence. The end result? Many modern pilots are either too scared or incapable of operating without the automagics.
Boeing for its part has still designed in the pilot, but even they for a while lost their way.
Boeing have now even included a 777 flightcrew bulletin......in 2010, which is even more damming for Asiana .
"Boeing Recommendations
Whether in automated or manual flight, flight crews must carefully monitor primary flight instruments (airspeed, attitude etc.) for aircraft performance and the flight mode annunciation for autoflight modes.
During approach, the pilot flying should keep one hand on the thrust levers, even with the autothrottle engaged."
Imagine if those geniuses on approach to SFO had complied with the Boeing procedures.....
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