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Post by kiwirob on Jun 22, 2015 9:27:46 GMT 12
United Arad Emirates were a order placed before the white tails, not in the 10. The initial UAE order was in 2009 for 4, this was increased to 6 in 2010, in Feb 2015 they placed an order for 2 additional aircraft, these are 2 of the whitetails, there's only 1 left, the question is who will take it? Not us for sure that would be a daft purchase.
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Post by gungadin on Jun 23, 2015 18:14:48 GMT 12
Have I got it right
re the C-17 in service with the RNZAF is a non runner because there is only one white tail left and we would need more than one to be a viable force.
This leaves only possible replacement of the C-130 being the A400M complemented by a number of C-295. But, a interesting competitor would be the Japanese C-2 which is slightly bigger than the A400M
This would be complicated by an interesting story linking Airbus with the possible purchase of SafeAir.
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Post by isc on Jun 23, 2015 21:57:28 GMT 12
Airbus gets SAFE, RNZAF gets A-400M at big discount, you know the Christmas sales, buy one get one free sort of thing. isc
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Post by gungadin on Jun 24, 2015 7:45:06 GMT 12
Sounds like a post xmas sale with the customer "always getting a bargain"
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Post by skyhawkdon on Aug 25, 2015 17:34:09 GMT 12
I was talking to a 40 Sqn person this week and he said a C-17 deal is still looking probable... one new (the last whitetail) and at least one second hand ex USAF airframe.
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Post by beagle on Aug 25, 2015 18:54:30 GMT 12
September 12 2013 was the last one delivered to the USAF
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Post by saratoga on Aug 25, 2015 21:51:07 GMT 12
Really? With the NZ$ plumetting seems unlikely,unless the yanks give them away.
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Post by gungadin on Aug 26, 2015 9:10:23 GMT 12
A political solution with a fleet of 2 aircraft consisting of a very old and tired airframe with the other being a brand new airframe.
I would imagine there will be significant differences between the old and new which means there will need to be a significant and ongoing modification programme to standardise the two models.
Whilst, the previous introduction of 2nd hand aircraft into RNZAF service such as the Andover, A4G, B727, B777 has proved to be successful option albeit a very expensive with the true cost being hidden in the ongoing maintenance costs
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Post by atea on Aug 26, 2015 12:19:15 GMT 12
Gungadin. Nice to see the New Zealand Airbus rep back again.
If the government decides that this is the best option then that is what they will buy. I am glad that they are looking at all the options. Doing nothing and having no options aside from Airbus is just as poor option as buying two airframes of differing ages. I also am not aware of there being significant differences between these aircraft otherwise how are the likes of Australia incorporating the white tails into their fleets.
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Post by htbrst on Aug 26, 2015 12:32:03 GMT 12
I also am not aware of there being significant differences between these aircraft otherwise how are the likes of Australia incorporating the white tails into their fleets. There are two variants of the C-17 - the most recent 2/3's of the production run have an additional fuel tank for more range (something like 5 extra hours of flying!!) and other minor changes. India's government just approved a purchase of an additional 4 C-17s - even though here is only the one white tail left. I don't think even they would stump up the cash to restart the production line, but they have thrown money around in a similar fashion before
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Post by gungadin on Aug 26, 2015 18:16:32 GMT 12
The people in charge of the seem to be besotted with the C-17 so it makes sense that the RNZAF will buy 2/3 C-17's probably second hand and refurbished a bit like the cancelled F-16 deal
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Post by beagle on Aug 26, 2015 18:43:48 GMT 12
The differences between the C17A and the C17ER was the inclusion of a centre wing fuel tank holding 36000 litres. This started to be included from 2001. I am not sure what if any Block differences have been done in the last 10 years but I am assuming that there would be nil or very little between the last one on the line and the last one delivered to the USAF.
As for India getting another 4. Where from. There is no chance of anymore being manufactured, so would be aircraft that the USAF would give up. They ordered 10 with 6 options, receiving this 10 during 2013/2014. In 2012 approval was given to purchase these 6 in the 2017-2022 years. They wouldn't have known then that the line would be closed by then.
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Post by gungadin on Aug 26, 2015 18:58:45 GMT 12
If the RNZAF decide on the C-17 they will in all liklehood be early A model without the extended range tank
Of course any deal will depend on the USAF being wilIing sellers
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Post by beagle on Aug 27, 2015 17:38:18 GMT 12
Not sure if we would accept early A models as they would be getting on a bit now. I suppose it's what sort of deal NZGovt are trying to do, if any.
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Post by gungadin on Aug 27, 2015 18:20:09 GMT 12
If its C-17's they want then, the only ones available at a price NZ can afford will the retired Model A . .
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 27, 2015 19:00:02 GMT 12
Why buy new transports at all? Surely we could lease some?
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Post by atea on Aug 27, 2015 19:40:33 GMT 12
Or we could plead poverty and the Americans might give us some. Keeping us away from the interests of China would be a priority for them surely........
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Post by gungadin on Aug 27, 2015 20:56:33 GMT 12
Leasing would be the bean counters solution to the budgeting required to pay for whatever aircraft is available for leasing
Also can military equipment, that can be operated in a combat zone, be leased?
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Post by raymond on Aug 27, 2015 21:15:49 GMT 12
Leasing would be the bean counters solution to the budgeting required to pay for whatever aircraft is available for leasing Also can military equipment, that can be operated in a combat zone, be leased? They were going to lease the F16's?
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Post by mumbles on Aug 27, 2015 22:15:48 GMT 12
Leasing would be the bean counters solution to the budgeting required to pay for whatever aircraft is available for leasing Also can military equipment, that can be operated in a combat zone, be leased? They were going to lease the F16's? Yup
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