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Post by planecrazy on Dec 15, 2014 14:56:56 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Dec 15, 2014 15:28:31 GMT 12
Bit of tear gas down the ventilation pipes, followed by some thunder flashes.
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Post by baz62 on Dec 16, 2014 6:51:45 GMT 12
Sad that at least one hostage has been killed. Glad the mongrel who kicked this off was taken out. Dont mess with the Aussies!!
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Post by Mustang51 on Dec 16, 2014 9:16:37 GMT 12
It is an extremely sad state of affairs all around for everyone involved directly and peripherily. It is good to hear that the gunman was taken out but words cannot express the sadness for those innocent victims. This person did not represent Islam in any way, shape or form. He was implicated in the murder of his wife, sexual assault against a number of women but was out on bail. He had previously written malicious letters to the families of Australian soldiers who had been killed on active duty and despite all of this was still on the streets. There are many who share responsibility for what happened in the Lindt Cafe. Certainly the Muslim community was not responsible for his actions. Like others who have headed to the Middle East conflict zones, he sought personal gratification in violence. He has achieved nothing in his quest other than strengthening the world's resolve against ISIL/ISIS and radical Islam. My heartfelt wishes go out to this madman's victims and to those, still alive, who shall be affected by this senseless act of violence for the rest of their lives.
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Post by jonesy on Dec 16, 2014 11:23:23 GMT 12
What we will also see over here will be the opinions of "experts" in the media who will analyse the whole situation. And quite possibly some backlash against the Muslim community by ignorant Right-wingers. Incredibly sad situation indeed.
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Post by Chris F on Dec 16, 2014 11:31:08 GMT 12
Very sad and my thoughts are with those families grieving for their loved ones a week before Chritmas. The World really is just one big out of control mess at the moment.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 16, 2014 12:19:58 GMT 12
There was a huge amount of gunfire in the shootout. Who killed the hostages? Was it the nutter or the police?
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Post by Mustang51 on Dec 16, 2014 13:15:36 GMT 12
No-one knows as yet under what circumstances the victims lost their lives. There shall be a totally thorough investigation of the crime scene to ascertain the causes. It is rumoured (and rumours are just that) that the cafe manager tried to prevent those who had just escaped from being shot and struggled with the gunman. That cafe is relatively small. It has two entrances and the tables are basically in the middle and along the northern side. It would have been very 'close' for everyone in there. I go there when I attend the Land and Environment Court which is just around the corner. At least we are blessed that so few were killed and injured as it could have been far, far worse.
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Post by phil82 on Dec 16, 2014 14:48:13 GMT 12
Well done!
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Post by obiwan27 on Dec 16, 2014 15:39:00 GMT 12
Agreed, great job by the NSW Police Force.
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Post by skiddly on Dec 16, 2014 16:47:10 GMT 12
Yes well done to the NSW Police. I don't know any cop that would go to work and hope to be put in that situation. Now fortunately will be the time of the so call experts to give their opinions on what they did and what they could have done. The so called experts have hours, days, weeks to decide what they would have done whilst those guys had seconds to make their decisions.
Thoughts are with the families of the victims and for the injured.
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Post by phil on Dec 16, 2014 18:52:58 GMT 12
There was a huge amount of gunfire in the shootout. Who killed the hostages? Was it the nutter or the police? I don't think there was. Those police were throwing flash bang grenades as fast as they could, and I think they were multi flash bangs. Looking at the video I believe that made up the majority of what you saw and heard in the video clip, not gun fire.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 16, 2014 22:54:55 GMT 12
Ah, ok, thanks Phil.
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Post by camtech on Dec 17, 2014 10:59:09 GMT 12
Agree Phil. The amount of stun grenades going off covered most of the shots. I did pick out shotgun blasts and some automatic weapon firing, but amongst that chaos who knows until they do a tally up of ammo expended.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 17, 2014 16:38:20 GMT 12
The Sydney florists must be coining it right now!
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Post by kiwibeavers on Dec 17, 2014 18:34:53 GMT 12
Jonesy is right, there are experts everywhere, analysing the whole scenario and the gunman. A Professor at Monash even said that the gunman could of had Psychological problems!! Really?? They should've taken him out when they had clear shots through the window early on. Bruce Willis or Rambo woulda got him!!! But I guess they had no info on whether he was alone or if he had others with him. Seems it was left up to the hero Cafe Manager to divert the gunmans attention while some hostages made it out. It went on for far too long, can't see the point in waiting for 16 hours for a hostage to make a move. In my humble opinion, I'm not an expert and I wasn't there. Abbott should have been there, his citizens were in danger. God bless the 2 that perished. Now we need to get Mohammed Elomar back here and string him up, let the mongrel rot here, not in hell.
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Post by jonesy on Dec 17, 2014 19:07:19 GMT 12
Article here this afternoon in regard to why a sniper didnt "take him out" early on...Apparently the times when he was most visible through the windows the marksmen werent in position, and didnt have enough info about how many were involved. Imagine popping off one of them, only to have his accomplices go nuts? The outcry would be deafening! Damned if you do, damned if you dont. I reckon the right decision was made, just tragic results thats all.
Other reports are of the two victims died trying to protect others. if this is the case they should be recognised for their selfless bravery.
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Post by phil82 on Dec 17, 2014 22:20:18 GMT 12
Jonesy is right, there are experts everywhere, analysing the whole scenario and the gunman. A Professor at Monash even said that the gunman could of had Psychological problems!! Really?? They should've taken him out when they had clear shots through the window early on. Bruce Willis or Rambo woulda got him!!! But I guess they had no info on whether he was alone or if he had others with him. Seems it was left up to the hero Cafe Manager to divert the gunmans attention while some hostages made it out. It went on for far too long, can't see the point in waiting for 16 hours for a hostage to make a move. In my humble opinion, I'm not an expert and I wasn't there. Abbott should have been there, his citizens were in danger. God bless the 2 that perished. Now we need to get Mohammed Elomar back here and string him up, let the mongrel rot here, not in hell. Yes, true, and I guess all of those options were considered by the scene commander. The Media coverage was bad, really bad, and the shamelss posturing by politicians was typical, including the Premier of Victoria who went on TV to assure all residents of Victoria that they were safe! Mind you Mark Wahlberg who have shot him from Melbourne....probably!
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Post by Mustang51 on Dec 18, 2014 8:51:13 GMT 12
From the most recent reports, apart from the fact that the number of gunmen in there was not known, one of the reasons that the snipers were told not to take the guy out was that he had claimed to have a bomb. He had a backpack which showed evidence of wires and some sort of box. Later found apparently to be a small speaker with wires to simulate a bomb. As I said, that cafe interior is relatively small and had a bomb been detonated the results for everyone inside would have been catastrophic
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Post by obiwan27 on Dec 18, 2014 9:21:24 GMT 12
It was handled correctly I feel. The professionals were left to get on with the job they have been trained to do. having Pollies down there contaminating the mix would have been wrong. Abbott did the right thing keeping out of it. The media coverage was atypical, although kudos to the Channel 7 cameraman who conducted himself with professionalism and was a source of good coverage into the café for the police.
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