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Post by Darren Masters on Apr 2, 2015 9:53:57 GMT 12
Rumour has it that the Air Freight NZ Convairs are going to retire. Anybody know when or what they will be replaced with? Apparently they were given the enoughs enough by CAA. Can't see why. There are older aircraft than that flying around...Be interesting to see what they replace them with that will have similar cruise speeds and freight capacity.
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chis73
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Post by chis73 on Apr 2, 2015 11:14:10 GMT 12
I wonder if any thought has been given to replacing them with transport versions of whatever the air force gets for a small tactical airlifter eg. a c-295. This could bolster the number of these aircraft in the country, making it more economical to support, with both civil & military benefiting from the larger scale of operation. To some extent the Convairs 580s are sort of doing this now - having similar engines to the Hercules & Orions. I can't see Treasury supporting it, but the government could lead an incentive scheme that would encourage the small freight operators to migrate to a common type. It could open options as some sort of reserve force for times of national disaster. Civil pilots maybe required to do a couple of weekends of tactical air training a year? I'm thinking of something that would kind of sit halfway between the American Air National Guard and their Civilian Reserve Air Fleet.
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Post by lindstrim on Apr 2, 2015 11:41:37 GMT 12
My thoughts are that it's due to the new PBN requirement that is being rolled out. Some operators are adding new avionics and others new aircraft......
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Post by scrooge on Apr 2, 2015 13:20:18 GMT 12
aviation rumours sure are fun
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Post by The Red Baron on Apr 2, 2015 13:21:49 GMT 12
Old Age?,most of these are 60+ years old.
Trouble is most of the aircraft designed to replace these DC-3 era twin engine types have already been retired themselves.
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Post by ZacYates on Apr 2, 2015 15:51:15 GMT 12
Forgive me folks - what's PBN?
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Post by Bruce on Apr 2, 2015 16:49:58 GMT 12
Performance based Navigation.
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Post by isc on Apr 2, 2015 19:51:43 GMT 12
Bring back the DC-3, they never really replaced it. isc
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Post by The Red Baron on Apr 2, 2015 20:59:34 GMT 12
Of course the DC-3 is the reason there are no replacements,because they were manufactured in such huge numbers and then sold onto the open market at such cheap prices nothing has ever been able to replace them.
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Post by isc on Apr 2, 2015 23:26:12 GMT 12
I can remember that back in the 1950/60s, the cry of the day was "we need a DC-3 replacement, and thing like the F-27, the Avro 748, and many others, I suppose the Convairs were another. On the military side I suppose the C-130 is the DC-3/C-47 of the last 50 years or so. isc
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Post by scrooge on Apr 3, 2015 10:23:55 GMT 12
If you have a look at when the Convair (and DC4 and a few others) were designed, you'll see they were a DC3 replacement- but designed to operate off sealed runways which the DC3 was not.
They carried more further, faster, higher and more comfortably than a DC3 could.
However, without the demand of wartime there were also fewer of each 'replacement' model made and the DC3 remained as the cheap option for many years. There was no real reason to build a DC3 sized aircraft as there were so many around.
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Post by beagle on Apr 3, 2015 17:12:11 GMT 12
They will buy 5 C130H's. pretty sure there will be 5 for sale very soon
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Post by lindstrim on Apr 3, 2015 17:31:56 GMT 12
Rumour today was 737's to replace them
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Post by komata on Apr 3, 2015 18:42:26 GMT 12
beagle (and others): Do you have any idea as to what the economics of the C-130H vis a vis the CV380's would be(Serious question)? I would have thought that by the time the '380's are depreciated, they would be almost 'cost-less' to operate, and that the main reason they would be replaced would be high airframe hours rather than operating cost per se'.
Thanks.
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Post by isc on Apr 3, 2015 19:59:57 GMT 12
ANZ sales person on ZB radio 2 days ago(I think), we will be reducing flights in/out Chch, ending long range ie Tokio. But there will be inceased seats on internal flights with the introduction of A-320 aircraft, to replace B-737. isc
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Post by ruakituri on Apr 4, 2015 5:56:41 GMT 12
The 580 being phased out has nothing to do with a CAA decision. It is simple economics with PBN taking over the country. Replacement airframe are going to be 737, front runner possibly ex jet connect aircraft.
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Post by delticman on Apr 4, 2015 8:32:22 GMT 12
What will the folk of Palmerston North think with jets landing in the middle of the night? I would have thought ATR's would have been the deal.
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Post by keroburner on Apr 4, 2015 18:37:36 GMT 12
Well the above mentioned 580's could almost be louder than a Boeing 737F? Wouldn't be much in it noise wise. They make some serious noise just taxiing. Almost on a par with the F-27...
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Post by suthg on Apr 4, 2015 19:04:25 GMT 12
Yes, with the square chopped props the HS748's still leave a ring in my ears now.
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Post by isc on Apr 4, 2015 20:28:15 GMT 12
And the 580 is slower than a B 737, so the noise hangs around a bit longer. isc
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