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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 29, 2015 20:42:08 GMT 12
Hundreds of Defence Force jobs set to go7:10 PM Tuesday Sep 29, 2015  Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee told One News the staff reductions would largely come from not filling vacancies over the next 10 years. Photo / Jason OxenhamMore than 700 jobs within the Defence Force are tipped to be axed from as early as next year, official documents show. Labour Party defence spokesman Phil Goff said a report released to him under the Official Information Act recommended military and civil job cuts across the force. The Establishment Review Report recommended the removal of 104 positions, two-thirds of which would be cancelled by next year. A further 178 military and 49 civilian temporary positions would be gone by 2018. The report also recommended the number of Air Force personnel and civil staff jobs should be reduced by 67 and 315 respectively, to comply with funding caps. The total number of jobs affected would be 713. Mr Goff slammed the findings, saying it was another example of the Government undervaluing the role of the New Zealand military. "All of this foreshadows a further shambles in Defence Force staffing and growing pressures from not having enough people to meet demands." Defence Minister Gerry Brownlee told One News the staff reductions would largely come from not filling vacancies over the next 10 years. - NZ Herald www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=11520942
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 29, 2015 20:49:51 GMT 12
So if this is the case why has the NZDF been really pushing their new recruiting advert lately?
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Post by Ian Warren on Sept 29, 2015 22:27:06 GMT 12
So if this is the case why has the NZDF been really pushing their new recruiting advert lately? I did notice a huge influx posted in the 'search for work sites' in the end off last week, all three forces, there was well over half a dozen jobs. |
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Post by atgv on Sept 29, 2015 23:06:28 GMT 12
Doesn't seem likely that the jobs getting axed are entry level/recruit positions..
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Post by exkiwiforces on Sept 29, 2015 23:10:27 GMT 12
mmm, I wonder if this is the reason old Jonesy didn't get a extension when he was the CDF? I heard somewhere that he didn't support anymore cuts to the manning CE or funding and as a result of his actions he was giving the flick by the pollies. Also just before my uncle retried from the RNZAF early this year he mention of possible cuts to manning again but top brass were digging say no to any further cuts as this will hit capability again.
You think NZDF are having manning problems. We are having all sorts of problems in RAAF Combat Support manning CE across all departments. For example the RAAF's Force Protection (ADG's, AFSEC, RAAFPOL, and ABP is a bloody joke since the merger couple of years ago and the current OC 95 Wing was going around saying "If you don't like! get out as I don't want you here!" so every man and his dog is leaving or trying to leave. Its the same for supply, cooks etc. and the poor bloody tankers were part of the movements but have now back the mechanics trade again.
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Post by thelensofhistory on Sept 29, 2015 23:21:34 GMT 12
Successive governments have been able to gut the NZDF because the general public tends to lack the understanding about the importance of the armed forces. The problem is going come down the not to distance road when it comes back to haunt us.
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Sept 30, 2015 1:55:05 GMT 12
That's rich criticism from Goff considering what Helen axed...
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Post by komata on Sept 30, 2015 6:05:39 GMT 12
Considering what Goff (and Clark et al) did to our boys when they came back from Vietnam methinks its a little bit rich of him to now do the 'I'm shocked, I'm amazed' routine. Hypocrisy-much IMHO.
Some of us DON'T forget what went on...
FWIW, being seen as the 'champion' of the NZDF evidently suits the NZLP's current 'get John Key' meme, but be under no illusions; because they are ultimately all pacifists (and don't like things that go 'bang'), to such people as Goff, the NZDf is something to be emasculated at all costs (the 'Strike Wing' comes immediately to mind). The fact that NZ will be defenceless as a result is totally irrelevant - ideology is all.
This latest (carefully manufactured) hysteria is just another step along the same path...
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 30, 2015 9:58:42 GMT 12
Well the good news is I have just been shown a message from the Chief of Air Force sent out this morning to all personnel stating that TVNZ, and all the other news agencies that used TVNZ as a source, was completely incorrect, and there are no plans to cut any more jobs from the NZ Defence Force at all. In fact the RNZAF is working at the moment to build up numbers. They'd gotten the notion of these massive cuts from an old scenario from the 2014 White Paper which was floated and immediately rejected.
Well done TVNZ for the usual appalling job of reporting news, and Goff for making it up as you go along.
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Post by baronbeeza on Sept 30, 2015 10:24:24 GMT 12
Oh, so we will be seeing a retraction and apology from the media.
I have to wonder how much grief and anxiety that sloppy piece of journalism would have generated.
Good for the Air Force and I suppose the other services are going through the same.
In fairness to Goff, perhaps his comments have been misreported as well. I would agree with the other comments above otherwise.
Often it is the politicians that are the enemy, could you guess how many man-hours must be consumed trying to fight that battle ?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 30, 2015 10:35:42 GMT 12
Of course it is Goof's fault, he's the one that got the report under the Official Information Act and then generated a media report from it, for sure. An attempt to score points that backfired, he's a git.
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Sept 30, 2015 15:41:56 GMT 12
"Here, here" (grief I'm sounding like a polly)
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Post by 11SQNLDR on Sept 30, 2015 18:02:26 GMT 12
Of course it is Goof's fault, he's the one that got the report under the Official Information Act and then generated a media report from it, for sure. An attempt to score points that backfired, he's a git. excellent - then he has the credentials to run as mayor of Auckland  |
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Post by komata on Oct 1, 2015 12:44:20 GMT 12
11sqnldr
Re: 'Excellent - then he has the credentials to run as mayor of Auckland'.
Well, yes, since after all he is of the same ideology as Brown, and it will merely be a case of wash, rinse and repeat; second verse same as the first...
The sad thing is that the same unthinking group of the 'great unwashed' who put Brown in power will probably just as easily do the same for Goff, especially if the latter promises them the earth, moon and stars (as is the socialists want). The phrase 'baubles and trinkets' comes to mind...
It worked for Brown and there is no reason why it shouldn't work for Goff, and the very-fickle NZ media will no doubt give him an easy ride....
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Post by thelensofhistory on Oct 1, 2015 13:04:07 GMT 12
Considering what Goff (and Clark et al) did to our boys when they came back from Vietnam methinks its a little bit rich of him to now do the 'I'm shocked, I'm amazed' routine. Hypocrisy-much IMHO. Some of us DON'T forget what went on... FWIW, being seen as the 'champion' of the NZDF evidently suits the NZLP's current 'get John Key' meme, but be under no illusions; because they are ultimately all pacifists (and don't like things that go 'bang'), to such people as Goff, the NZDf is something to be emasculated at all costs (the 'Strike Wing' comes immediately to mind). The fact that NZ will be defenceless as a result is totally irrelevant - ideology is all. This latest (carefully manufactured) hysteria is just another step along the same path... Nor should it be forgotten. Vietnam Veterans and their off spring (I am the son of a 5RAR veteran) will appreciate this. www.facebook.com/Children.Of.Vietnam.Veterans.OfficialPage/photos/a.519249018119730.113503.137155872995715/1014268761951084/?type=3&theater |
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Post by isc on Oct 3, 2015 21:34:28 GMT 12
Right or wrong, they sure got thing out, and people talking. isc
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 3, 2015 23:07:08 GMT 12
As far as I have seen Phil Goff has still not issued any apology for his release of false information.
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Post by komata on Oct 5, 2015 10:36:42 GMT 12
Dave H
Phil Goff apologise? Surely Sir, you jest??? No chance, ever, it doesn't fit the narrative and the ideology, and as for the uncertainty it created in 'DF? Who cares; Goff certainly doesn't - opportunism is all, especially if it 'gets at' John Key.
Evidence, once again (as if we needed it), as to how far the NZLP has sunk from its 1930's 'glory days'.
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Post by thelensofhistory on Oct 5, 2015 11:42:35 GMT 12
As far as I have seen Phil Goff has still not issued any apology for his release of false information. Well it's not like Phil Goff would know anything about the NZDF . Goff's idea of air power would be farting in a Cabinet meeting. |
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Post by komata on Oct 5, 2015 12:29:07 GMT 12
TLoH
Re:'...It's not like Phil Goff would know anything about the NZDF'..
Oh but he would; he would be very, very aware that a major obstacle to the successful taking-over of any nation-state by socialist-ideologs is the military. Ridicule and neutralise the 'Mils' and the problem goes away (look at the current USA to see what I am referring-to).
Destruction of the Strike Wing, the 'alteration of role' for the 'DF (and the consequent reduction in its military effectiveness), the starving of necessary funds for training and equipment etc. etc.!!
Sound familiar? Leopards and spots, methinks.
Goff knows a lot more than we suspect, and the end result will always be the same - the complete destruction of the NZDF in pursuit of his socialist / communist 'utopia' as defined by Marx.. For Goff, P., ideology will ALWAYS be more important than the security of our nation.
The pity of it is, that people still vote for him....
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