The best part of this article from military.com is actually the comments made by Americans at the bottom. You get a better idea of what the average Joe thinks about this issue and NZ in general.
The article repeats a myth though:
"New Zealand's default position has long been to ban them from its waters."
The USN was never specifically banned. They just refused to continue port visits and other obligations under the new legislation, after first testing them by proposing the USS Buchanan visit in 1985 (a conventionally propelled warship that was unlikely to have nuclear weapons embarked on that cruise).
Last Edit: Jul 22, 2016 11:12:00 GMT 12 by mumbles
Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 22, 2016 11:30:11 GMT 12
The absolute irony is these protesters seem to never realise that they would most definitely not have the right to protest government decisions had it not been for the military might of the US Navy and our other Allies.
Military services are primarily in place to protect the peace and freedom that allows the little people like them to have a voice. Why can they not realise that.
Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 30, 2016 10:13:50 GMT 12
By the way it was mentioned by F/Lt Phil Brock at the recent Te Atatu Forum Meet that the Naval Fleet Review on the 19th of November will also see a massed flypast of military aircraft. I reckon that'll make a great photo opportunity. I think he said 18 RNZAF aircraft are taking part from memory and also some from overseas.
Stu sent through this info tome that was circulated for local pilots:
"As part of the Naval Fleet Review being conducted in Auckland Harbour on the afternoon of Saturday 19th of November, the RNZAF is coordinating a flypast of local and foreign military aircraft. To facilitate this, they are requesting temporary restricted airspace be established and as part of the process, they have asked that details be circulated to the Auckland Airspace Users Group distribution lists for consideration and feedback so disruption is minimised on the day.
Date: Saturday 19 November 2016
Time: 1400 – 1500 Local Time
Boundary: A line joining Point Chevalier, Lake Pupuke, The Noises, Western tip of Waiheke Island, Musick Point, and Point Chevalier (refer attached chart)
Vertical Limits: SFC – 2500ft
Activity: Flypast by up to 25 local and foreign military aircraft (both single aircraft and formations) along a display line from Browns Island to the Harbour Bridge.
Aircraft to depart Whenuapai and form up over the Hauraki Gulf before joining the display line at 2-minute intervals.
Display height is 500ft
Administering Authority: RNZAF
If you foresee any adverse effects on your operations in the above proposal, can you please let me know so we can work with the RNZAF ahead of time to address them. I am advised that procedures are already under development to enable emergency services operations to/from the hospitals and Mechanics Bay if necessary.
It appears not all in the USA are supportive of this visit based upon on some "interesting" comments underneath the main article.
Most of the negative comments appear to be under the misapprehension that we have changed our law or policy (in contradiction to what the article says), rather than the USN accepting that there is no harm in sending a non-nuclear ship that does not (per declared US Government policy) carry nuclear weapons.
I don't think they have any ships in this part of the world at the moment (according to their nifty deployments map on their website). The closest (and it's not that close) is their Antarctic support vessel, HMS Protector, which visited NZ earlier in the year. It could, perhaps, make a visit again but it is the beginning of penguin counting season. How about a Royal Marine Band instead?.......
Everyone else is significantly closer, and we are much closer to places they regularly operate in. And if you thought NZ Defence cuts were bad, the Brits' have been much worse.
Considering the population difference between the UK and NZ it is possible to make such a argument. Essentially the cutbacks have a reduced the RN in size more akin to the RAN than it's old Cold War self. Notable the RAN doesn't have any flat tops in service and in the near future the RN will be short on amphibious ships.
In short if something unexpected happens the RN will want to borrow HMAS Canberra and the RAN would want HMS Queen Elizabeth after she enters service.
As spotted on another forum; The Canadians appear to be bringing a Halifax-class frigate:
Vancouver plans to participate in KAKADU 2016, a maritime warfare exercise hosted by the Royal Australian Navy before enjoying a rest and maintenance period halfway through the deployment. Other WESTPLOY visits will include Jakarta, Indonesia; Ho Chi Minh, Vietnam; Brisbane, Australia; and Auckland, New Zealand, before heading home for Esquimalt, B.C., in December 2016.