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Post by kiwicorsair on Sept 10, 2016 17:41:16 GMT 12
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 1, 2016 20:27:17 GMT 12
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 2, 2016 14:54:11 GMT 12
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 9, 2016 11:33:30 GMT 12
Alright - heading towards the finish line with this guy. The kit is awesome , most problems I had were self made. However the well documented funky canopy fit did take a little fixing. Keen eyed Venturaphiles will note that I have goofed and put bars on the wings - I blindly followed the Xtradecal instructions like a mug! Anyhow it looks like a Ventura - and only build number 4 since returning
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 9, 2016 12:09:26 GMT 12
Keen eyed Venturaphiles will note that I have goofed and put bars on the wings - I blindly followed the Xtradecal instructions like a mug! Are you trying to depict this as a pre-November 1943 period aircraft? If that is the case, bars would not have been worn, but after that bars were worn on all operational forward area RNZAF aircraft, on all roundels. Since the Ventura first moved to the forward area only on the 22nd of October 1943, with No. 10 Servicing Unit aircraft being operated by No. 1 (Bomber Reconnaissance) Squadron from Guadalcanal, there's a very small window for these aircraft to not be wearing bars,so you probably need to add them to the fuselage too if you're planning for this to be a combat aircraft - and considering the weathering it looks like you're going for a coral strip look.
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 9, 2016 12:59:59 GMT 12
Hi Dave
Thanks for the information. I guess I should have worded that better in my post. I am modelling this Aircraft when it came back home in May 1944. The Xtradecal sheet claims that there markings were worn at that time. I know believe this to be incorrect.
I would say based on the references I now have.
Wing roundels are too small in Xtradecal sheet
Airframe roundels would have been moved further forward and reduced in size as per "Slippery Sam" on the Ventura sheet.
This just teaches me to use local decals and ask more questions before I decal.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 9, 2016 15:00:19 GMT 12
Which Ventura are you building? What serial number, and SU?
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 9, 2016 15:17:10 GMT 12
NZ4509 - Flown back to NZ from No2 BR Sqn to Gisborne where it was transferred to NO11SU - I am depicting before it's repaint to NZ made colors in 1944.
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 9, 2016 16:20:26 GMT 12
Ok so looking at Classic Warbirds Pacific Twins it would appear that this Aircraft received its repaint and New Markings before reaching NZ.
It looks like I may have a small problem , these markings sans bars on roundels are right for when it was sent to the Islands in 1943.
However the fading etc added to the paint would not be correct as it is too new.
darn - I may just have complete this to a high standard and pop it in the display case as it is
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 9, 2016 16:57:16 GMT 12
NZ4509 was one of the No. 10 Servicing Unit Venturas that was flown from Whenuapai up to the Pacific by No. 1 (BR) Squadron in October 1943. It was the personal aircraft of pilot Don Ayson and his crew for that tour. It wore the devil artwork with "Bake 'em, Roast 'em or Boil 'em in Oil" And all six roundels will have had bars for most of that time.
By the time No. 2 Squadron flew the aircraft back to New Zealand seven months later it would have seen a lot of service, and yes it will have probably been repainted at Espiritu Santo before coming home.
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 9, 2016 19:19:38 GMT 12
Thanks again Dave
Most helpful with confirming the roundels and history of NZ4509.
I have been looking at the picture of this aircraft post repaint , the roundels are the same as the ones found in Ventura's decal set for RNZAF PV-1s.
The roundel I have used on the fuselage I believe is the earlier one that was painted on delivery (but with red center painted out)
So my course of action would be to remove the decals I have already applied and fit the Ventura decals for the six roundels.
This would depict the period before repaint and prior to return to NZ - hopefully?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 9, 2016 22:21:35 GMT 12
Yes that sounds right. I am not sure if NZ4509 retained its devil artwork while with No. 11 SU. I guess your decal sheets don't include that art?
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 10, 2016 7:05:43 GMT 12
The Xtradecal and Ventura's sheets have the cartoon
As far as I can tell , Ventura's with the exception of a couple of week known examples "We fire from both ends" and NZ4540 had the cartoon painted out due to concerns over how crews might be treated if shot down and recovered.
The same resource also states that the PV-1s on the first tour were the only ones that kept their cartoons in the field.
I guess post repaint 4509 lost its cartoon , but pre repaint may have had it?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 10, 2016 9:25:58 GMT 12
No. 10 SU definitely retained most if not all the cartoons while in the Pacific, not sure about No. 11 SU's policy though.
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 11, 2016 6:57:14 GMT 12
No. 10 SU definitely retained most if not all the cartoons while in the Pacific, not sure about No. 11 SU's policy though. Thanks again , I have decided to keep the cartoon for this build. If any photos surface I can easily remove it.
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 11, 2016 7:08:13 GMT 12
Ok so due to working a lot of weekends lately I had yesterday off Managed to get most of the little jobs finished and did a spot of re decaling. The new Ventura decals are amazing - so amazing in fact that I dropped Mr Laird a mail and let him know how impressed I was. I once again apologize for my average photography - I have limited space due to house renovations. I am going to build a simple booth to get better photos in the near future. Due to the size of this brute I am going to attach it to a base and maybe add a palm tree or two. Just have some last details like paint chipping and rigging to go. Also I managed to accidently rip off a small part of one of the roundels as I was airbrushing some coral dust - replacement on the way. I am hunting for some large yellow numbers for the tail serial. The cartoon placement in the Xratdecal sheet is too low , I should have use the Pacific twins photos - drat!
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 11, 2016 7:17:07 GMT 12
I really enjoyed this kit -I have a couple more in the stash and a Glass nose that I am going to make into a NZ based B-34. Now if I could only find those Alley cat blistered windows.
After seeing the post war images of the PV-1s at Ohakea being put into storage , I would like to do NZ4610 in post war markings. I may even have a crack at painting them on.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 11, 2016 9:35:14 GMT 12
Looks great, well done.
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Post by Ian Warren on Oct 11, 2016 10:47:24 GMT 12
They are a pretty type to look at, the closes I have got to the type similar is the Hudson at Wigram Museum, biggest thing is from the period comparing four types from the era and building ideas, the Oxford, Anson, Hudson and the DC-3, of all the Hudson real McCoy is quite impressive, simply being smooth as, course the Oxford and Anson are in a different class but it is a good compare between philosophy of designers ideas in the period. Your Ventura, brilliant , as I said they are a pretty aircraft to look at. Great job building.
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Post by kiwicorsair on Oct 11, 2016 11:19:43 GMT 12
Thanks for the kind words Ian and Dave.
I find I improve a little every build , this the first kit I have free handed ( I normally mask Camo )
I agree that these are great looking designs - any of the Lockheed twins or DC3 are all stunners.
My love of the Ventura came from seeing the Ventura and Lodestar at MOTAT years ago. I also ran into a Lodestar in Wanaka at a mueseum there - quite a surprise!
I Just got Special Hobby's 1/72 Lodestar with RNZAF markings for the build pile. I wish Revell would do a Hudson or Lodestar in 1/48.
Cheers
Mike
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