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Post by airtruk on Jul 4, 2018 22:01:33 GMT 12
I was just wondering if anyone would have a stash of old Civil Aviation Air Accident and Incident reports (late 60's through to mid 80's) involving agricultural aircraft, namely "Airtruk's"?
They aren't that easy to find anymore.... A lot of the investigation documents and reports from this era have been moved to Archives New Zealand however TAIC still controls them and won't allow access for 75 years or something along those lines.
Any leads would be great.
I have a handful of accident and incident reports that I'm happy to copy and share and I also have a couple of spare copies of Accient Report No 76-129 DHC-2 Beaver, ZK-CPS, Nikau, Wellington on the 24th of November 1976.
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Post by grgrimmer on Jul 5, 2018 8:13:47 GMT 12
Keith Turner in Masterton had a prang in an Airtruk when one the prop blades went into reverse.
He would probably be able to send you a copy of that one if you asked him.
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Post by johnm on Jul 5, 2018 10:26:08 GMT 12
try this grgrimmer ............ stacks of stuff prcarc1.erau.edu/portal/index.htmlyou may have to log in - then click accident reports ............... and wait - then click aviation accident reports by location ......... and wait - click NZ |
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Post by delticman on Jul 5, 2018 10:58:24 GMT 12
try this grgrimmer ............ stacks of stuff prcarc1.erau.edu/portal/index.htmlyou may have to log in - then click accident reports ............... and wait - then click aviation accident reports by location ......... and wait - click NZ Um, doesn't work for me. |
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Post by johnm on Jul 5, 2018 13:04:17 GMT 12
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Post by ZacYates on Jul 5, 2018 13:53:19 GMT 12
It's a great resource but by no means complete.
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Post by grgrimmer on Jul 5, 2018 14:46:39 GMT 12
Thanks johnm. Actually it was "airtruk" who asked the question but it is a terrific link anyway that I'm sure I will find very useful.
Found I had to alter the "Search Options" to define it better for NZ Accidents, but like Zac says, "but by no means complete".
It still goes a lot further than most sites I've seen though. I guess it will become more complete as the years go by....
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Post by johnm on Jul 5, 2018 16:28:12 GMT 12
OK grgrimmer  I can remember our family visiting another family as a result of one of those accident reports Macabre in a way reading them - I located that particular accident report (and some others I have known) ............ you do learn facts from them and I was curious what year it was in my childhood when our family made that visit You can even read the hindenberg zeppelin report of 1938 in there somewhere ! |
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Post by The Red Baron on Jul 7, 2018 7:29:40 GMT 12
Has anyone ever questioned the 75 year embargo?.Even state secrets aren't locked up that long.
Its even crazier when the state actually sold and supplied them to the public any way,seems beyond lunacy to me.
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Post by madmax on Jul 7, 2018 11:28:49 GMT 12
My sentiments exactly Red Baron. How can an embargo be placed on information that has already been made public?
Some years ago I wrote to the Department seeking copies of two accident reports which I required for research only to receive a rather terse reply from their legal department. I was left with the impression they considered I was attempting to steal State secrets!
If any one out there has a copy of the accident report on DH82 ZK-AIM which occurred on 3/3/1951 I would appreciate a copy.
Cheers, Madmax
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Post by errolmartyn on Jul 7, 2018 12:35:45 GMT 12
My sentiments exactly Red Baron. How can an embargo be placed on information that has already been made public? Some years ago I wrote to the Department seeking copies of two accident reports which I required for research only to receive a rather terse reply from their legal department. I was left with the impression they considered I was attempting to steal State secrets! If any one out there has a copy of the accident report on DH82 ZK-AIM which occurred on 3/3/1951 I would appreciate a copy. Cheers, Madmax I don't have a copy of the official accident report but the following is the entry I've compiled for Part 7 of my series on 'Toll of the Air' that is to appear in a future issue of the AHSNZ journal The Aero Historian: SATURDAY 3 MARCH 1951 Canterbury Aero Club de Havilland DH.82A Tiger Moth ZK-AIM Whilst engaged on a navigation exercise in connection with the Bledisloe Cup competition at the Royal New Zealand Aero Club’s annual air pageant, at Harewood, at 2.15 pm the biplane was seen by Raymund D. Catherwood flying low at about 80-100 feet when it suddenly dived into a grass paddock on his farm at Swannanoa, 22 miles from Christchurch. The solo pilot was seriously injured on being thrown about 40 feet clear upon impact and died the following day. Catherwood later stated that he thought the Tiger Moth’s engine had cut out as it went into the dive. † Michael Vincent PHILLIPS, aged 19 (Karori Cemetery, Wellington) Phillips had begun flying with the Wellington Aero Club as an ATC cadet in January 1950 and later joined the club as a flying member. He obtained his Pilot’s ‘A’ Licence (3952) in August. An obituary note by the club remarked that as a very keen pilot he combined a natural flying ability with an earnest desire to learn the intricacies of airmanship with the result that he was chosen as our Bledisloe Cup representative.
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Post by delticman on Jul 7, 2018 12:53:17 GMT 12
Has anyone ever questioned the 75 year embargo?.Even state secrets aren't locked up that long. Its even crazier when the state actually sold and supplied them to the public any way,seems beyond lunacy to me. It was a cost saving exercise, it just saves the records department (if there is one) the time and bother to find out your request. |
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Post by madmax on Jul 7, 2018 13:02:47 GMT 12
Hi Errol, Thanks for the info however I'm trying to determine if Michael Phillips flew the aircraft from Wellington to Christchurch and, if accompanied by an instructor, their identity.
Cheers madmax
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Post by thomarse on Jul 13, 2018 21:49:17 GMT 12
Re the embargo b.s, both CAA and TAIC are still publishing current reports (did I say "current"? - that's a joke) on their websites so why the hell embargo the old stuff?
I have quite a large collection of the earlier published reports, up until the early 1980s. However, these don't go back beyond the mid-1950s and I have no idea what form earlier reports were actually in. Does anyone know what the first published report in the 25/3 series (as they were known) was? The earliest I've seen is the Cessna 180 BGM in October 1956
There is a surprising amount of historical data to be gleaned from the old-style reports
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Post by baz62 on Jul 14, 2018 7:06:56 GMT 12
I don't suppose you'd have one for Auster BBZ in 1965?
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Post by madmax on Jul 14, 2018 16:03:16 GMT 12
Hi thomarse, The earliest accident report I have is for DH82 ZK-APL which crashed at Paraparaumu on 24/12/1947. It is numbered 27/33/4.
Cheers, madmax
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Post by thomarse on Jul 14, 2018 19:41:13 GMT 12
Baz, I don't, so don't get excited but I'll tell you what you need to hunt for - it's the booklet named "New Zealand Civil Aircraft Accident Summary 1965". As luck would have it, I have 1962,63,64 and 66!
The last time you were chasing this I dug as far as I could and discovered (ASN) that the PiC was one Ken Donnelly. Now, according to my 1965 White's Air Directory, K F Donnelly was Club Captain of the Ruapehu Aero Club so that may be a line to follow although that Club is long gone. He was undoubtedly a military man so that may be an avenue. I hesitate to admit it, but I remember Ruapehu in the early 60s when they had an Aeronca Champ AWF and a Miles Messenger whose rego escapes me. Delticman may be able to fill in some gaps here as he is of a similar vintage to me and was closer to the area.
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