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Post by shorty on Oct 6, 2018 14:14:31 GMT 12
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Post by saratoga on Oct 6, 2018 15:37:17 GMT 12
Must have the budget Martin-half-Baker'd seats fitted.
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 6, 2018 17:23:27 GMT 12
Must have the budget Martin-half-Baker'd seats fitted. Well presumably MB are paying if they aren't reaching specified life...
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Post by beagle on Oct 8, 2018 15:12:33 GMT 12
I think they are reaching their life, just RNZAF didn't order in time to get them before some expired, and have to wait for more to be manufactured.
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Post by ErrolC on Oct 8, 2018 15:29:20 GMT 12
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Post by saratoga on Oct 8, 2018 16:22:56 GMT 12
If this really does relate to the ejection seats, they are not maintained by the airforce so not really their issue,apart from not being available.
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Post by beagle on Oct 8, 2018 20:27:29 GMT 12
But the RNZAF is in charge of procurement for these items
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Post by saratoga on Oct 8, 2018 21:48:49 GMT 12
I believe they are procured by the contractor.Contracted to maintain the seats.So a job for the contractor,not the aiforce.
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Post by frankly on Oct 8, 2018 22:33:17 GMT 12
I believe they are procured by the contractor.Contracted to maintain the seats.So a job for the contractor,not the aiforce. I understand there is a lot more to it than that. Either way, not good.
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Post by beagle on Oct 9, 2018 19:17:46 GMT 12
I believe they are procured by the contractor.Contracted to maintain the seats.So a job for the contractor,not the aiforce. negative, parts are FMS procurement so Air Force to look after.
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Post by saratoga on Oct 9, 2018 21:20:49 GMT 12
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Post by ex on Dec 1, 2018 8:29:21 GMT 12
The contractors gave the air force the CAD/PAD requirements for the life of contract (30 Years) at the very start. This gave the air force 2-3 years to get the first order in. They dropped the ball and did not place the order. there is no "world wide shortage" there are quite simply none available until more are manufactured. This has lead to a reduced fleet as the CAD/PAD becomes life expired, leading to increased flying on the remaining aircraft, which in turn accelerates them into the phase service. The lack of CAD/PAD effects both the seat and canopy system. The contractors are doing all they can to deliver aircraft to the line with the limited parts available, including working the weekends to carry out minor scheduled servicing's and repairs.
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Post by phil on Dec 2, 2018 15:08:28 GMT 12
The contractors gave the air force the CAD/PAD requirements for the life of contract (30 Years) at the very start. This gave the air force 2-3 years to get the first order in. They dropped the ball and did not place the order. there is no "world wide shortage" there are quite simply none available until more are manufactured. This has lead to a reduced fleet as the CAD/PAD becomes life expired, leading to increased flying on the remaining aircraft, which in turn accelerates them into the phase service. The lack of CAD/PAD effects both the seat and canopy system. The contractors are doing all they can to deliver aircraft to the line with the limited parts available, including working the weekends to carry out minor scheduled servicing's and repairs. 'there is no "world wide shortage" there are quite simply none available until more are manufactured.' So, that would be a shortage then, world wide?
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Post by ErrolC on Dec 2, 2018 15:43:19 GMT 12
So are they teaching end of life years earlier than expected, or not? Was the expectation based on faulty information from supplier, unexpected use pattern, what?
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Post by l29 on Dec 2, 2018 16:00:09 GMT 12
The contractors gave the air force the CAD/PAD requirements for the life of contract (30 Years) at the very start. This gave the air force 2-3 years to get the first order in. They dropped the ball and did not place the order. there is no "world wide shortage" there are quite simply none available until more are manufactured. This has lead to a reduced fleet as the CAD/PAD becomes life expired, leading to increased flying on the remaining aircraft, which in turn accelerates them into the phase service. The lack of CAD/PAD effects both the seat and canopy system. The contractors are doing all they can to deliver aircraft to the line with the limited parts available, including working the weekends to carry out minor scheduled servicing's and repairs. 'there is no "world wide shortage" there are quite simply none available until more are manufactured.' So, that would be a shortage then, world wide? Lifed parts like ejection charges are made to order and not made to sit on the shelf. So no there is no shortage. They simply wernt ordered with enough lead time. Charges for the seats currently fitted may have been from a older batch leaving them only half life from when we received them.
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