I think you might be right Dave. If it was a Tiger I think you'd see the top wing as it sweeps back whereas with both top and lower wings the same on the DH60 you wouldn't see the top wing like in the position shown in the photo.
Post by planewriting on Feb 8, 2019 21:55:46 GMT 12
Looking at aviation-safety.net/wikibase/wiki.php?id=64463 covering ZK-AND's Franz Josef write off on 23 April 1950 there is no reference to another aircraft being damaged and neither is there a separate entry for that day or another aircraft.If that was Franz Josef can we identify a cabin Tiger Moth operating in that area (West Coast region) at that time? I haven't got immediate access to my copy but I think I recall a chapter on canopied Tigers in the David Phillips / Cliff Jenks Tiger Moth book 1938 - 2000. That may provide the answer.
Post by planewriting on Feb 10, 2019 9:09:19 GMT 12
Following on from my post immediately above I have just looked at "Tigers with Hats" in the above Tiger Moth book. NOTE. There is nothing to clearly identify the aircraft in my notes - they serve only to try and isolate the aircraft involved. The book lists all the canopied civilian Tigers as follows: AHZ Auckland AC, ZK-AIW Hawera AC, ZK-AIY, Canterbury AC, ZK-AJB, Wanganui AC, ZK-AJL Otago AC, ZK-AKC New Plymouth AC, ZK-AKE New Plymouth AC, ZK-AKN Wairarapa & Ruahine AC, ZK-ALJ South Canterbury AC, ZK-ALK Wellington AC, ZK-ALL Waikato AC, ZK-ANE J D Neave, (Queenstown?), ZK-ANG H R Wigley, Timaru, ZK-API S J Lister, Temuka, ZK-APP A B Baker, Cambridge, ZK-APQ Wellington AC, ZK-AQI Hawke's Bay & East Coast AC, ZK-ARZ Auckland AC, ZK-ATB Tauranga AC.
I suspect the photo dates from the early 1950s (23 April 1950?) and taken at Franz Josef so we can probably discard these 1960s conversions: ZK-AJP Hawera, ZK-ATM Tauranga, ZK-AZY Palmerston North and ZK-BUO Timaru (canopy added 1957). We can probably also discard the North Island domiciled examples leaving ZK-AJL, ZK-ANE, ZK-ANG and ZK-API as the most likely Tiger nearest the camera. All four of these aircraft had accidents in the late 1950s leading to cancellation from the civil register so I suspect that the unidentified Tiger was rebuilt after that incident. Unfortunately the accident brief in my earlier post does not mention any other aircraft being involved. I am assuming the two aircraft collided and that there were not two accidents... May be there is something more definite in one of the newspapers.
Post by baronbeeza on Feb 10, 2019 13:14:02 GMT 12
I am looking out my window and see those hills.
I went to talk to my father and he said he was there that morning. He said the Tigers were parked over night and an Easterly came through. Three Tigers were blown into the trees and he thought the others were Nelson based. The mechanic ( Emil Rosel) fixed the West Coast one and it flew away. not sure about the others. He thought John Reid may have flown the Proctor in from Nelson.
His other story is that a guy Day wearing a cravat did a show off and flew low along the crowd line and clipped another machine. He can't recall so much damage that day though.
Looking East but about 2Km closer to the hills than the 1950s pic.
I have just received an email from Mark McGuire about this photo. He says he "looked at the air accident file in ArchivesNZ, 25/3/25, which might relate to it. I'm not sure if it is a different accident as the photo was taken in daylight and the file refers to the event happening at night. Here are the details from the file so someone else may be able to establish if the file and the photo refer to the same event.
DH 82 ZK-AQH owned by Nelson Aero Club Night 27 March 1948 Westport Airfield
Propellor broken Fuel tank crushed, C/S struts bent, Cowlings damaged Elevators damaged and main planes superficially damaged
75 mph gale which tore a/c from moorings - these consisted of 4 4' screw pickets on mainplanes u/c and tail unit. Sandy nature of airfield plus heavy rain rendered pickets useless during rain."
Yep, just spoke to my father (sitting 2 metres away) and he said when he went out that morning one was still up in the tree. He saw several damaged machines and one may have been black. The 6 cylinder Proctor from Nelson was still tied down and undamaged. We get a bad Easterly wind on the coast here, it is not an aviation friendly wind at all. Any pilot that has encountered it will undoubtedly have lifetime memories.