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Post by ZacYates on Jan 30, 2022 14:14:40 GMT 12
Those Walsh Bros/Manurewa/NZFS photos are gold! Anyone interested in looking deeper at the subject should track down a copy of The First by Terry Moyle, it's a great read with a ton of info. Another great source of photos is MOTAT: the photos taken by John Page alone make for fascinating viewing.this one is for Zac Untitled. From the series: Night trails, 1957, Waimamaku, by Eric Lee-Johnson. Purchased 1997 with New Zealand Lottery Grants Board funds. © Te Papa. CC BY-NC-ND 4.0. Te Papa (O.006098/02)  I have no clue what's going on but I love it! I expect delticman will be along shortly to enlighten us. |
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Post by madmac on Jan 30, 2022 14:24:10 GMT 12
 What the heck? Topdressing at night? Topdressing the buildings? Flying so slowly the whole galaxy moves round in the background? Mys be some photo trickery I guess? Definitely falls under aviation art I think, but a striking image none the less. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 30, 2022 14:26:42 GMT 12
Indeed. It's very cool.
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Post by madmac on Jan 30, 2022 16:32:58 GMT 12
Having seem a couple of photos of the Walsh's Caudron after an accident, I though it would be nice to have a couple of photos side by side of the Caudron with wheels & Floats. "W H Scotland's Caudron Biplane, possibly Otaki Racecourse" Dated 10 November 1914  "J W H Scotland's Caudron Biplane, possibly Otaki Racecourse" Clearly not the same day as the above photo.  "J W H Scotland's Caudron Biplane wrecked in trees at Newtown Park, 23 March 1914."  THe Next 4 are from Motat. It appears its ripped the tail plane floats off on the "crash" couple of photos.     & a couple from the Airforce Museum "Caudron float plane on the water near the camp at the New Zealand Flying School, Kohimarama." I really thought it was a camera gun still for a moment. 
"Canterbury Aviation Company pilots in front of two Caudron aircraft. Sockburn Aerodrome."
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Post by madmac on Jan 30, 2022 17:44:44 GMT 12
I have being trying to avoid Charles Kingford Smith as photos Him & / or the Southern Cross are voluminous. But here is a couple of related Bristol F2B photos. The first 2 are from the National Library of Australia. "Charles Kingsford Smith and Charles Ulm in cockpit of Bristol Tourer biplane, meeting Captain Len Isitt on arrival at Auckland, New Zealand, September 1928"  "Three Bristol fighter biplanes at Auckland Aerodrome, September 1928 Auckland Star"  A much better copy can be seen here nla.gov.au/nla.obj-147667002/viewDoes anyone know what the gray patch under the gunners position on 2 of the Bristol's. I was wondering what the lump under the canvas on the lefthand Bristol F2B was and from this airforce Museum photo we can see its a Camera unit.  |
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Post by errolmartyn on Jan 30, 2022 21:09:11 GMT 12
I have being trying to avoid Charles Kingford Smith as photos Him & / or the Southern Cross are voluminous. But here is a couple of related Bristol F2B photos. The first 2 are from the National Library of Australia. "Charles Kingsford Smith and Charles Ulm in cockpit of Bristol Tourer biplane, meeting Captain Len Isitt on arrival at Auckland, New Zealand, September 1928" "Three Bristol fighter biplanes at Auckland Aerodrome, September 1928 Auckland Star" A much better copy can be seen here nla.gov.au/nla.obj-147667002/viewDoes anyone know what the gray patch under the gunners position on 2 of the Bristol's. I was wondering what the lump under the canvas on the lefthand Bristol F2B was and from this airforce Museum photo we can see its a Camera unit. Len Isitt was actually a Major at the time, had been for a month, not a Captain. Errol |
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Post by errolmartyn on Jan 30, 2022 21:12:33 GMT 12
Having seem a couple of photos of the Walsh's Caudron after an accident, I though it would be nice to have a couple of photos side by side of the Caudron with wheels & Floats. "W H Scotland's Caudron Biplane, possibly Otaki Racecourse" Dated 10 November 1914 "J W H Scotland's Caudron Biplane, possibly Otaki Racecourse" Clearly not the same day as the above photo. "J W H Scotland's Caudron Biplane wrecked in trees at Newtown Park, 23 March 1914." THe Next 4 are from Motat. It appears its ripped the tail plane floats off on the "crash" couple of photos. & a couple from the Airforce Museum "Caudron float plane on the water near the camp at the New Zealand Flying School, Kohimarama." I really thought it was a camera gun still for a moment.
"Canterbury Aviation Company pilots in front of two Caudron aircraft. Sockburn Aerodrome."
All but the 2nd, 3rd and last photo are of Scotland's second Caudron; the 2nd and 3rd are of his first Caudron. Errol |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jan 30, 2022 21:52:27 GMT 12
In that last photo of the men in front of the two Caudrons, is the chap fourth from right a very young Len Isitt?
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Post by nuuumannn on Jan 31, 2022 11:19:24 GMT 12
Interesting to note the increased rudder size in the first image. Compare with this image of the RAF Museum's one.  RAFM 45 Taking a look around the interwebs there are images of export Caudrons with similar enlarged surfaces. |
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Post by ZacYates on Jan 31, 2022 16:58:45 GMT 12
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Post by madmac on Jan 31, 2022 17:29:20 GMT 12
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Post by madmac on Jan 31, 2022 17:57:29 GMT 12
These are all from The Nelson Provincial Museum Nelson Aeroclub,1931  Gloster Grebe 1930  1930, I am guessing DH9 but the engine doesn't look right DH50  Hawker Tomtits 1935   1935  DH Comet  "Clouston, air pilots arrival in Nelson"   Never realised how square Vildebeests were   |
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Post by ZacYates on Feb 1, 2022 6:20:32 GMT 12
These are all from The Nelson Provincial Museum 1930, I am guessing DH9 but the engine doesn't look right DH50 I always enjoy seeing pics of types like the DH.50, thank you Duncan! How sweet it would be to see a Comet over Omaka today. What a photo! |
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Post by nuuumannn on Feb 1, 2022 8:37:13 GMT 12
1935 That's a WACO. The big bracing strut between the fuselage and the interplane struts is a giveaway. |
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Post by nuuumannn on Feb 1, 2022 8:55:20 GMT 12
Caudrons are one of those real endearing types and I have to say I have a fancy for the type, too. I remember how awkward the Caudron was to move, not just because it was odd to try and pick up, but also because of the way the wheels were attached. They are on a two-wheel axle on each skid that is connected by a spigot on a triangle shaped brace ahead of the wheels and that's it, each axle is held in place on the skid by an abundance of bungee cords, which are supposed to cushion the impact and provide flexibility in manoeuvring on the ground. The problem is they move independently of each other and steering it is virtually impossible.  RAFM 44 Russell Brodie at Rangitata has always expressed a desire to build one of these, I do hope he does. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 1, 2022 10:06:40 GMT 12
Nelson Aeroclub,1931 1935 I really love these shots with the small boys admiring the aeroplanes. I wonder if they ended up in the RNZAF later. |
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Post by madmac on Feb 1, 2022 11:35:25 GMT 12
A few photos of that main stay of 1920's flying, the Avro 504 "De Havilland Avro biplane on the Ocean Beach, Mount Maunganui." Tauranga City Libraries Photo 01-222  "Avro 504K "High Jinks", operated by the Canterbury (NZ) Aviation Company performing run-up on North Island beach with nearby onlookers. High Jinks was flown on an extensive joy riding tour of the North Island by Les Brake in 1921/1922" Walsh Memorial Library  "New Zealand Flying School, Avro 504K at Takapuna Beach" 10-0998. Walsh Memorial Library  04/071/099. Walsh Memorial Library collection.motat.nz/records/images/xlarge/17434/c012e002c341bec9b281d1f679551e7f3946e20f.jpgNZ Aero Transport Ltd personel outside a hangar with Avro 504K & De Havilland DH9A at Timaru. 15-3684. Walsh Memorial Library  5-2600. Walsh Memorial Library  "504k Avro with a cabin Ardmore or Mangere about 1923 Leo White " 05-3132. Walsh Memorial Library  "Avro 504 at Wigram 1930's" 11-1074. Walsh Memorial Library  "Walsh Bros Avro 504Ks H2990" 04/077/053. Walsh Memorial Library  "AVRO 504K. Landing on the beach at Mission Bay at the western end, in front of the Walsh Flying School hangars." 04/071/091. Walsh Memorial Library  "An aeroplane on Howick beach, c1930 " Howick Historical Village. Does this seem a late date for a Avro 504 on floats?  "New Zealand Flying School Avro 504K with unidentified pilot and visitors." 15/043/001. Walsh Memorial Library  "NZ Aero Transport Co. Avro 504K on barge at Okaroto, South Westland." 15-3692. Walsh Memorial Library  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 1, 2022 11:48:07 GMT 12
Some great shots there of the 504's, I'd only seen about half of them in the past.
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Post by madmac on Feb 1, 2022 12:21:58 GMT 12
This photo is apparently dated 1945?, which if it is right, was there is a rogue Vickers Vincent/Vildebeest (can never tell them apart). The sqn code is ZX also on the Hudsons and Ansons. "Line up of aircraft North Island Airfield. PHOTOGRAPHER: F.G. Tingay. DATE: 1945 [?]" Archives NZ R25563110  Archives NZ already had it up on their flickr, with a bit more detail. www.flickr.com/photos/archivesnz/43592289335 |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Feb 1, 2022 12:38:10 GMT 12
Not a rogue, perfectly legitimate  It is the target tug for No. 1 (Bomber) Operational Training Unit, as is the Harvard and the Oxfords and Venturas also belong to that OTU. 1945 is probably right. Maybe 1944. |
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this one is for Zac
What the heck? Topdressing at night? Topdressing the buildings? Flying so slowly the whole galaxy moves round in the background? Mys be some photo trickery I guess?
It is the target tug for No. 1 (Bomber) Operational Training Unit, as is the Harvard and the Oxfords and Venturas also belong to that OTU. 1945 is probably right. Maybe 1944.