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Post by beagle on Dec 10, 2007 17:43:16 GMT 12
I was just wondering what their current inventory has as of Dec 2007. somebody will put me right on some as some of the numbers are guesses. CT-4 do they own any or are they all owned by the civillian training company PC-9 Originally 66 ?, now 1 less ? Caribou must be between 10 and 20 C130H was 12, still 12 ? B707 must be down to only 2-3 now someone told me a story about 10 years ago where there was one on servicing at Qantas, on jacks and somehow the jack went through the wing, true ?? B737 wedgetail.....6 but a few years away B737BBJ ....2 leased Canadair twins x 3 or is it 5 for VIP again leased Hawk 127......33 F18................was originally 75. lost 2-3 by now ?? F111........... was about 30 odd with the G models but sounds like they have been mothballed and with crashes must be down to about 20 airworthy  B350 5 sounds right ?? on Order A330 .........5 coming soon anything i have missed are all choppers Army or Navy C130J-30......12 C17 ........2, whats the delivery dates for the next 2 or 3 |
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Post by corsair67 on Dec 10, 2007 18:03:26 GMT 12
Beags, you forgot the mighty AP-3C, of which there are 19 in service (actually 18 are AP-3C, and the other one is still a P-3C which is used for testing various equipment/sensors fitouts.)
The CT-4s are all owned by BAe Systems, and are operated on contract to the ADF for basic pilot training.
I'll have to check my 'sources' and get back to you about the rest of the fleet, but most of what you've put is about right.
All helicopters are either operated by the Navy or the Army.
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Post by FlyNavy on Dec 10, 2007 18:30:34 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Dec 10, 2007 19:05:17 GMT 12
ah yes I forgot the might P3 or should I say AP-3
yes 20 purchased, lost one due to a LOX fire. Did get 2-3 they called TAP for training purposes but have since relenquished them. Where did they go, to the great desert in the states or did they pul them down for spares and training aids in Aussie ??
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Post by phil82 on Dec 10, 2007 19:38:55 GMT 12
ah yes I forgot the might P3 or should I say AP-3 yes 20 purchased, lost one due to a LOX fire. Did get 2-3 they called TAP for training purposes but have since relenquished them. Where did they go, to the great desert in the states or did they pul them down for spares and training aids in Aussie ?? I'm pretty sure they wrote one off in a very heavy landing during training in the US |
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Post by beagle on Dec 10, 2007 20:18:10 GMT 12
rings a bell
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Post by skyhawkdon on Dec 10, 2007 20:32:06 GMT 12
I'm pretty sure the LOX fire one was one of the old original P-3B models and not one of the current "C" models. I think the "C" that was lost was the one that tore the leading edges off the wings doing a beat up at Cocos Island (ditched in the adjacent lagoon killing one crew member).
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Post by FlyNavy on Dec 10, 2007 20:44:51 GMT 12
www.adf-serials.comA9-296 155296 P-3B 5406 n/a Crashed during acceptance flight at Moffet Field NAS, USA. Undercarriage collapsed. Replaced by 154605, which became A9-605. A9-300 155300 P-3B 5410 05/68 Damaged by fire at Ediburgh, SA. 01/84, broken up for part. Fuselage (all that was left after the oxygen fire) resides as a 'training environmental class room' at DSTO Salisbury, S.A. A9-434 153434 TAP-3B 5231 14/02/98 AMARC 2P082. Was to be A9-231 but not taken up. Ex-USN aircraft purchased to be used for aircrew training/transport to extend the life of the P-3C fleet. Was in Service 11 Sqn. Out of service now since around 2005 and awaiting disposal action. A9-438 153438 TAP-3B 5235 22/12/98 AMARC 2P0116. Ex-USN aircraft purchased to be used for aircrew training/transport to extend the life of the P-3C fleet. Avalon Airshow 2001. Was in Service 11 Sqn. Out of service now since around 2005 and awaiting disposal action. A9-439 153439 TAP-3B 5236 01/08/97 AMARC 2P090. Was to be A9-236 but not taken up. Ex-USN aircraft purchased to be used for aircrew training/transport to extend the life of the P-3C fleet. Was in Service 10 Sqn. Out of service now since around 2005 and awaiting disposal action. A9-754 160754 P-3C 5662 05/78 Took off from Cocos Island and commenced a right hand climbing turn to a height of 5,000 ft above mean sea level (AMSL). The aircraft was then placed into a shallow dive and positioned for a low level pass across the airfield. As the aircraft crossed the runway at 380 knots indicated airspeed and 300 ft AMSL, the pilot began a straight pull-out from the dive with all engines at full power. At this point, eyewitnesses saw a number of items separate from the aircraft. These items were later identified as wing leading edge components. A shallow climb was then achieved with the aircraft vibrating violently. The pilot attempted to complete a circuit preparatory to landing but height could not be maintained and the aircraft was ditched into the shallow water of the lagoon. Fin displayed at 492 Sqn HQ RAAF Edinburgh. Remainder of airframe dumped at sea.
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Post by Naki on Dec 10, 2007 21:01:47 GMT 12
CT-4s are owned by Bae or whatever the civilian company that is contracted to the RAAF
PC-9s 66 sounds about right - at least one has crashed
Caribou - 14 in service
C-130H 12 about to reduce to about 6 and then 0
C-130J 12
707 1 or 2 left
737 Wedgetail - they must enter service next year I thought
737BBJ - 2 leased
Bombardier 604 3 leased
Hawk 127 - 33
F-18 down to 71
F-111 I think 20 sounds right
B350 - 7 (they may also have a couple of King Air 200s not sure)
A330 - 5 on order
C17 - 4 on order or in service (may be 1 more been ordered)
P-3C - 19
F-18 Super Hornet - 24 on order
All choppers are in the Army or Navy but the Air Force has some S-76s that are used for rescue/utility but are owned and operated by a civilian organisation - not sure how many - may be 4?
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Post by beagle on Dec 10, 2007 21:22:17 GMT 12
CT-4s are owned by Bae or whatever the civilian company that is contracted to the RAAF PC-9s 66 sounds about right - at least one has crashed It crashed in Albany or similar in 1991 or around there. I was there on exchange in 1993 and I went for a fly in one but they would not let the kiwi exchange pilot take me up as that is how their only crash occurred. kiwi exchange pilot taking up kiwi air officer. pax was flying at the time and cut the fuel.Caribou - 14 in service flown in one of theseC-130H 12 about to reduce to about 6 and then 0 did quite a few flights around aussie in, actually it was the E modelC-130J 12 707 1 or 2 left did syd-per in one737 Wedgetail - they must enter service next year I thought 737BBJ - 2 leased Bombardier 604 3 leased did have a fly canberra to perth in one of their Falcon 900'sHawk 127 - 33 F-18 down to 71 F-111 I think 20 sounds right B350 - 7 (they may also have a couple of King Air 200s not sure) A330 - 5 on order C17 - 4 on order or in service (may be 1 more been ordered) P-3C - 19 F-18 Super Hornet - 24 on order All choppers are in the Army or Navy but the Air Force has some S-76s that are used for rescue/utility but are owned and operated by a civilian organisation - not sure how many - may be 4? |
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Post by FlyNavy on Dec 10, 2007 21:25:24 GMT 12
www.adf-serials.com (PC-9 two lost): A23-035 535 Crashed 05/08/91, near East Sale VIC whilst in service with CFS. Controlled flight into terrain - 2 fatalities inc RMAF Exchange Officer. 1st loss of type. A23-055 555 Crashed 21 March 1992 whilst in service with 2FTS. Accident occured 1.1 nm north of Albany airport W A after an (accidental ?) in-flight shutdown of engine in the circuit area. Crew was 2FTS FLTLT R. Thacker RNZAF (captain) and GPCAPT F. Sharp RNZAF (aircrew passenger). Crew ejected at 300 ft and 90 kts. Captain suffered only minor injuries, passenger more seriously injured.
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Post by beagle on Dec 10, 2007 21:25:26 GMT 12
I'm pretty sure the LOX fire one was one of the old original P-3B models and not one of the current "C" models. I think the "C" that was lost was the one that tore the leading edges off the wings doing a beat up at Cocos Island (ditched in the adjacent lagoon killing one crew member). it was the off duty engineer, the prop came through the fuselage and got him. got a few images from the salvage operation. the pilot was either american or canadian on exchange |
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Post by FlyNavy on Dec 10, 2007 21:45:33 GMT 12
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Post by FlyNavy on Dec 11, 2007 9:57:50 GMT 12
New info from "In regards to the fatality the name of the member was FLGOFF T. Henniker (no further details known) The accident occured on 26 Apr 91. The aircraft was carried 20 persons on board and when it ditched the No.2 propeller tore free from its mountings and punctured the fuselage. Only one other person sustained an injury." |
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Post by corsair67 on Dec 11, 2007 10:23:15 GMT 12
The two TAP-3Bs are sitting at Edinburgh air base without engines, and are looking pretty forlorn really.
I took some photos while I was down there in October - will see if I can find them later today.
re. Caribous - I don't think there are that many still in service - maybe 6 or 7 are still flying?
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Post by FlyNavy on Dec 11, 2007 10:38:31 GMT 12
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Post by corsair67 on Dec 11, 2007 15:01:45 GMT 12
A couple of photos of the TAP-3Bs at Edinburgh:   |
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Post by flyjoe180 on Dec 11, 2007 16:32:29 GMT 12
Oh dear, what a sad sight. What does TAP mean? I know P is Patrol.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Dec 11, 2007 16:40:14 GMT 12
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Post by FlyNavy on Dec 11, 2007 19:36:13 GMT 12
Some pics of Orion after crash at Cocos Islands and USA fire after u/c collapse here: www.adastron.com/lockheed/orion/p3gallery.htmSpecifically 'after u/c collapse fire' here: (11 apr 1968) www.adastron.com/lockheed/orion/h1a9296.htm& Cocos Islands here: www.adastron.com/lockheed/orion/h4a9754.htmMemorial to dead crewmember reads: (Inscription on plaque on Cocos:) "In memory and honour of Flying Officer Thomas James Henniker who was tragically killed on 26 April 1991 while on duty on board the P3 Orion Aircraft A9-754 which ditched at Cocos Island His family and friends, the RAAF and the Cocos Island community will never forget him. Australia is proud of Flying Officer Henniker who served his nation with pride. His name will live forever. LEST WE FORGET" |
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