Well they have now officially brought in the rank of LAC/ Leading Aircraftsman into the ATC it is the equivalent of LCpl or Able Cdt and does the duties of a JNCO. So as of last week I am an official LAC until my course report gets to the unt commander then I hope I get promoted to Cpl.
Post by Dave Homewood on May 8, 2007 18:29:07 GMT 12
Interesting, well done on your rise in rank Darren.
It seems the ATC have adapted that new rank differently from the RNZAF. In the RNZAF the rank of Leading Aircraftman is not equivalent to Lance Corporal. LAC in the RNZAF is a designation for airmen or airwomen who've either served three years or have passed their senior trade course. That's all it means. It is a step up on the pay scale but no JNCO priviledges.
For some of the non-technical trades like Admin and Accounts I recall some got LAC classification after only about two years service as they were rushed through their training, whereas the technical trades are usually LAC's before they even begin their senior trade course, simply due to the two years or so you do on squadrons or units between courses. May have changed now, I'm not sure.
That seems about the same as it is today. Comms and Supply in particular seem to get their courses sooner (of course they don't have basic enge as well, so finish their primary trade training quicker). I was made LAC early on Techs course, we got our techs course relatively early and were still ACs for the first month or so, but that was back in '99, so is not exactly comparitive with today.
get some time up in the old days it was sometime sup to 6 years for LAC's to get to CPL Now if you get to 2 years then you have done something wrong.
In some larger trades perhaps, but then it's been that way for a long time now in certain trades.
We have armourers that have been LACs for considerably longer than 2 years, simply because there are no slots available for them. This is common now a lot of trades are smaller than they used to be, so I have to disagree about the 2 years at LAC level.
I'm not quite sure who or what the 'get some time up' comment was directed, hardly seems appropriate to the ATC, Dave's not in anymore and I've been in for over eleven years, just how much time do you expect someone to have up?
I remember when wigram was all brown fields when we had decent summers. Yes green, wet and cold in the winter. I missed it when it was white with all that fluffy stuff.
harden up, get some time up were all just sayings we had and probably still have . Really get some time up more or less tells someone that it was different in the days before who he was talking to.
Yes I realise it is different for the different trades, 2 years being an average amount being meant. Yes I agree, the armourer trade was slashed with the air combat scrapping, so there would be a bit of a slow down regards promotion. Whose in charge of S&S down there at OH now, still Mal Chambers
Post by atcassidy_30hobby on Dec 4, 2007 8:36:15 GMT 12
Ehe! No more lac for you biggles! In the ATC LAC is very much a classification, not a rank. Just thought I'd clear that up. They assist the ncos as we consider them more or less senior cadets with priviledges. It is a good thing in place for those hard working cadets who arnt old enough or havent completed their juniors.
I for one, was the last of the cadets to be promoted straight to corporal (as i got promoted the year before LACs came into place), and i must admit i do not envy the position of LAC but hey, if it gives the cadets something to work towards. Why not?
Awaiting promotion to sergeant. Last in the queue. Again. I think it's the age thing. They promoted two of my fellow corporals at dine in a few months ago and one just left. (Quite saddening for me as if he had just left a few weeks earlier I wouldnt have to wait a whole year to be recognised for the work I do in the unit-I hold the rank of a corporal but perform the duties of a senior nco, as two of our sncos just left someone needs to pick up the slack and as the most senior corp that someone ends up being me..yay!)