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Post by ianbw12 on Sept 24, 2008 20:32:49 GMT 12
Hi, Am about to start work on a 1/35 RNZAF UH-1H using the subtly-detailed Dragon (Panda) kit ... can anyone point me to some close-up photos of RNZAF Hueys anywhere, please? I've only seen the photos on Kiwi Aircraft Images so far. I'm particularly interested in winch details, door gun fittings, underside details, etc... what mgs did we fit in the doors (GPMGs or M-60 derivatives), what sort of underside attachments we fitted (I can see a hook, but is there a searchlight fitted on some?), what differences did our UH-1s have from 'standard' UH-1s, etc, etc!! Any help anyone can give most welcome, thanks. I will try and post pics as I go, but I know I'll be very hard-pressed to exceed Andrew Mackay's efforts on Hyperscale! Cheers, Ian
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Post by phil on Sept 24, 2008 20:57:00 GMT 12
What time period are you talking about? You use the past tense, do you not want our current scheme?
When fitted we use MAG58M machine guns fitted to M23 sub systems. Up until last year we used M60D machine guns on the same mounts. Note our M23s are not the same as the XM23s of Vietnam vintage that are available as aftermarket sets though. The night sun is role equipment and is only carried when needed, as is the Goodrich 42305-1 winch. (http://www.hoistandwinch.com/images/PDFs/42305.pdf)
The Breeze A60 cargo hook is always fitted.
Our UH1Hs are fitted with wire strike kits.
I'd suggest you contact CPE at Ohakea, 06 3515492 and talk to them about what you want, they will no doubt be able to supply all the photos you could need. I'd suggest that the images taken for the SQN print is a good place to start, but CPE have a great many images available.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 24, 2008 22:46:56 GMT 12
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Post by ianbw12 on Sept 25, 2008 8:55:00 GMT 12
Thanks guys, great photos Dave!
I'll be finishing her in the overall green scheme with low-viz markings, so circa 2000 I think? (BTW, I'm assuming the green is the same as per the A-4K? ...the FS number eludes my memory at the moment.)
Does anyone know the FS number for the interior grey colour at all, please?
Phil- thanks for your help; so the winch isn't a 'standard' fitting then, i.e. not all aircraft have it?
Also, re:the door gun mounts, were two always fitted or is it likely only one would be mounted sometimes? I have the Dragon UH-1D kit which supplies a mount and M-60, any idea how this compares to the RNZAF fitout? (I'll try and post a photo if you haven't seen the kit's mount before and are able to help.)
I assume the wire strike fitout comprises the two triangular pieces fitted above and below the nose?
As you can tell, I know very little about the aircraft so all help is very much appreciated! I'm hoping as I build and post pics, any errors or ommissions I make can be corrected as I go.
Thanks again guys, Ian
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Post by beagle on Sept 25, 2008 8:59:02 GMT 12
interior greay was dark gull grey matt. 36118 from memory
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Post by beagle on Sept 25, 2008 9:13:10 GMT 12
these might help
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Post by phil on Sept 25, 2008 17:31:03 GMT 12
The hoists get moved around between air frames as required. If it's a green one you're doing, you'll want the M60D (ie the one with spade grips, not the infantry style with the butt) and you can have it on either side or both. Often they only fly with one, fitted onto the outside of the frame in relation to the formation. click for larger: Wire strike kits also include the reinforcing around the windscreen, most visible at the corners of the windscreen - visible above.
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Post by alanw on Sept 25, 2008 18:29:58 GMT 12
Hi all Nice Photos!!
I too have the Dragon kit 1/35 scale.
While I quite like the current scheme, I was actually thinking of doing mine in the original OD scheme.
I don't suppose anyone has any photos of a UH-1D in the scheme would they?
Thanks
Alan
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Post by phil on Sept 25, 2008 18:52:48 GMT 12
Were ours Painted OD originally when we took delivery of them?
If they are that old, you need to contact the RNZAF Museum at Wigram. Mathew O'Sullivan is the guy to talk to.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Sept 25, 2008 20:06:10 GMT 12
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Post by phil on Sept 25, 2008 20:18:29 GMT 12
The image above of the aircraft on the flight line illustrates the catch bag on the 60 pretty well. I only just noticed it's not fitted in the image I posted from Timor.
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Post by alanw on Sept 25, 2008 20:37:26 GMT 12
Phil/flyjoe
From memory the RNZAF UH-1D's were delivered in standard US Army Drab with Blue/white-Red Kiwi roundels, and again from memory, the Logo Royal New Zealand Air Force was along the boom.
They still had that in the early-mid 1970's
Just can't find any photos!!!
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Post by Peter Lewis on Sept 25, 2008 22:59:09 GMT 12
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Post by flyjoe180 on Sept 26, 2008 8:54:25 GMT 12
I think we are all talking about very different time periods.
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Post by ianbw12 on Sept 26, 2008 9:03:20 GMT 12
Thanks again for those photos, Phil... any ideas on what the large, protruding round fitting on the underside is in front of the hook? Some sort of IR jammer?
And Flyjoe, thanks for those pics- that's the scheme I mean!
Cheers, Ian
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Post by phil on Sept 26, 2008 9:33:56 GMT 12
I'm pretty sure it's rad alt.
The iro doesn't have a self protection suite.
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Post by Calum on Sept 26, 2008 18:23:58 GMT 12
It's not a RAD ALt antenna. You need 2 of these and they are usually pretty small (about the size a hand). The 2 round Antennas just aft of the chin windows look like APN-194 rad alt antennas
Actually it looks like a DF 301e Antenna. But I've never worked on Hueys so this is only a guess.
DF301e is a UHF direction finding nav aid.
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Post by phil on Sept 26, 2008 18:39:06 GMT 12
Ah well, I'm not a greenie so you had my best guess.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 27, 2008 0:28:56 GMT 12
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Post by Calum on Sept 27, 2008 10:39:45 GMT 12
Ah well, I'm not a greenie so you had my best guess. Thats Ok Phil, I've always made allowances for gunnies.... Not very bright but they can load a bomb ;D
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