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Post by beagle on Jan 11, 2023 21:33:54 GMT 12
the nz govt owns 52% of Air New Zealand, thats us the tax payer. They have a qty od B777-200's sitting in the desert doing nothing that could be brought back to life. enough pax room up top for permanent vip kit and pax, plus space underneath for more freight than a C130 or B757 can carry. Also way longer range so not over night stops anywhere etc. Or if you going down the other road of dedicated freight, then why not C17. Ok no more in production, My Key really stuffed that up and we should ahve got 2 but the USAF has lots parked up with deferred maintenence. we could offer to do the role of all ice flights leaving them with frames that can be used for more important roles. Plus would have to have crews sitting here for weeks or longer. Just my 20 cents worth. Well in reality there is your VIP/ Strategic lift taken care of, seems like they do a far bit of cargo freight too www.newshub.co.nz/home/travel/2022/02/air-new-zealand-boeing-777-300-zk-okq-rescued-from-the-desert-returning-to-service.htmlaccording to wiki there are 3x 777-300 sitting in storage already with the lie flat beds in bussiness class Thats not a bad idea in regard to C17. What is USAF plans for them? Not sure, this was a few years back I heard this. I dare say they would be just sittingt here awaiting their turn and all others that come for deep maintenence would be put at the back of the que. Only thing with B777-200 was the limited airfields it could land into, depending on weight, and also undercarriage footprint landing down south. But thats what we would use C17 for if we had any.
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Post by beagle on Jan 11, 2023 11:53:31 GMT 12
the nz govt owns 52% of Air New Zealand, thats us the tax payer. They have a qty od B777-200's sitting in the desert doing nothing that could be brought back to life. enough pax room up top for permanent vip kit and pax, plus space underneath for more freight than a C130 or B757 can carry. Also way longer range so not over night stops anywhere etc.
Or if you going down the other road of dedicated freight, then why not C17. Ok no more in production, My Key really stuffed that up and we should ahve got 2 but the USAF has lots parked up with deferred maintenence. we could offer to do the role of all ice flights leaving them with frames that can be used for more important roles. Plus would have to have crews sitting here for weeks or longer. Just my 20 cents worth.
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Post by beagle on Dec 19, 2022 7:25:10 GMT 12
morning team, someone has posted on facebook that the remaining 5 orions are going to the USA and be used as water bombers to fight fires. has anyone seen that in official print or heard this rumour ?
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Post by beagle on Dec 13, 2022 21:02:26 GMT 12
KC30 has full seating upstairs (RAAF runs 270 seats in business/economy split) and can take up to eight 463L pallets in the cargo holds. There's a height limit to the pallets down stairs but they can be built to max weight. It's not a rig change situation like the RNZAF B757 is which would result in better aircraft availability. There would be a capability limit in local and Pacific airfields that it could access, but New Zealand would have a true strategic air lifter. No PSR to the ice and the biggest pax capacity in Antarctic airlift (by a long shot) plus the bonus of in flight refuelling capability and this aircraft offers a lot to our allies and great potential for NZDF use. As for VIP, you could have the VIP seating fitted all the time and still exceed the number of business and economy seats that the B757 offers. Paul you know full well the NZ government isn’t going to buy an MRTT. still 3 B777-200's in desert that would be pretty cheap
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Post by beagle on Dec 13, 2022 20:46:04 GMT 12
87 months after starting this thread... finally the first aircraft to replace the P3K2 has arrived.
beagle, who's he, where's he been....
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Post by beagle on Feb 2, 2022 3:33:01 GMT 12
My apologies, Dave. To be clear my motivation for saying what I did was not about political allegiance, more about the stupidity of the comment. Here's a picture of a P-3. P-3K2 Orion Carry on... I see this image was taken when they were doing the latest bombing trials. Money had vanished to purchase new armament, so this aircraft was the first to be modded with the new wheel assembly bombs, as seen on the inboard pylons
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Post by beagle on Jan 26, 2022 15:57:31 GMT 12
so why arn't the doors painted as well then, they miust be bigger than 4.5 x 4.5
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Post by beagle on Jan 25, 2022 12:06:46 GMT 12
Sorry, yeah thought someone might get me on that comment.
I didn't quote the first part, my comment was that theirs are all MRH90's in more or less the same config.
Ours are different config yes.
So any decisions on a MLU program as yet or still too far away. Probably be some thoughts on likes, such as MX20's under the nose. Do we have a spare panel up front for that ? Any signs of cracking/ delamination that would possibly need an improvement package for MLU.
Say hello to Barbs for me.
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Post by beagle on Jan 20, 2022 15:22:30 GMT 12
Was persisting down when I flew out this morning... Still raining where I am! clear blue skies in Rollywood
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Post by beagle on Jan 20, 2022 14:28:12 GMT 12
With the weather like it is today in Chch, we probably wouldn't see it anyway... beautiful day here in chch
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Post by beagle on Jan 19, 2022 18:58:34 GMT 12
looooong timebut never forgotten aviation
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Post by beagle on Jan 19, 2022 16:34:51 GMT 12
Australia is dumping all of their NH-90’s not just the MRH-90’s. Our NH-90’s were ordered to the same spec as the RAAF ones, so it shouldn’t be a problem for us to buy a few.
They are all the same config MRH-90
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Post by beagle on Jan 19, 2022 16:22:08 GMT 12
it wont be happening in next 20 years. unless something major happens and we discover some massive gold or diamond mine etc hidden away in the hills. The only other contenders were merlin which was rejected on lifting capabilities and the S92 which was still in prototype if that stage.
NH90 here we are, and stuck with them. Not that I am saying they are no good, From what i read about other operators we have been doing well, as we normally do as we have the brains to fix things to work properly.
The only major hinderence to us is the expensive spares from what I have been told.
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Post by beagle on Jan 19, 2022 16:15:05 GMT 12
No it doesn't, military paints have many goodies added that civilian aircraft don't need nor have. can you explain these goodies. I suspect you are talking about special coating for radomes, antenna etc. Where paint is "peeling off" means preparation not done correctly, and it could be with primer coat not adhering to surface, or top coat not adhering to primer coat, more likely the first. 22 years Safety and Surface Technician.
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Post by beagle on Jul 22, 2020 19:13:58 GMT 12
that will please queenstown residents
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Post by beagle on Jun 17, 2020 19:40:10 GMT 12
Air NZ have not operated 767’s for a number of years now. With regards to the 777, you don’t buy an aeroplane to operate them half full how many tasks has the C130 done with stuff all on board. Have been on many flights where just one pallet was all that the tasking required, So yes the B777 is slightly on the big side for something we have not operated before. All about what the future dictates etc. Look at the RAAF, they never had C17's but found out how usefull they were and decided to get more,,, and nore. As for B777, Not sure if they did decide to purchase or get gifted that there would be a need for the costly addition of a upper freight door when the lower hold takes almost the same amount of 463 pallets as the B757 does, abet a few inches smaller in height.
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Post by beagle on Jun 16, 2020 22:43:00 GMT 12
well lets put it this way, if you were putting 300 pax into it and their baggage, it would mean that they are off on a deployment somewhere which would mean departure fields of OH, CHC, or AKL, ie being near the nearest army base. Even the B757 needs to go to AKL to top up if full pax and baggage to get max range out of it. I never said it could operate out of smaller airfields but for internal transport, wlg is not out of bounds and wp ok
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Post by beagle on Jun 16, 2020 21:56:07 GMT 12
Totally agree with Dave. 777 is far to much for the Air Force. Would only be able to operate it out of Ohakea. what a load of bollocks
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Post by beagle on Jun 16, 2020 21:06:52 GMT 12
Totally impractical. And you're dreaming if you think any of Air New Zealand's 777's will end up with the RNZAF. Frankly if the RNZAF wanted to buy some second hand airliners that are currently being shed by the airlines they should get a couple more 757's. They are a bloody good platform, perfect for the role, they are used by a lot of Air Forces, heaps of power, and they can get into far more airfields than the 777. Keep the ones we have and add one or two more to the fleet so they do not have the issue of not enough planes when one is in maintenance. Yes they are a bloody good aircraft dave and we have modified ours to suit our needs as best we can, but they are still only a medium range airliner. With B777 you are only a stop off to anywhere int he world. how many stops is say the B757 to fly to the UK. Yes chop this thread if you wish but there are many other forums discussing this and these people are very informed about both military and airline operations.
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Post by beagle on Jun 15, 2020 23:27:59 GMT 12
B777 is too big for everything. It could only land at Ohakea. Not an option. All depends on tasking Dave. for local tasks, quite a lot of airfields her in NZ are able to take them as they would not need as much fuel on board as long range international flights and if they were tasked witht hat, a quick hop to Mangere to fill up would be quite easy. As some have stated putting a cargo door on them to turn them i to a combi type aircraft. They have undefloor freight space able to take about 10 pallets abiet a few inches lower than in upper cabin of B757.
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