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Post by nige on May 20, 2010 23:25:47 GMT 12
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Post by skyhawkdon on May 21, 2010 7:46:46 GMT 12
Makes for pretty sad reading... the $35M increase is mostly to pay for additional depreciation which just gets paid back to the Gov't anyway! Also additional costs associated with the various defence reviews and delays with projects.
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Post by corsair67 on May 21, 2010 20:38:07 GMT 12
Well, I don't think the NZDF or its supporters will be overly fussed with that Budget outcome.
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Post by lesterpk on May 21, 2010 22:52:05 GMT 12
There's a bit of an in joke at the moment about there being no money for anything other than expensive projects and consultants on how to save money, except its not a joke and its not funny.
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Post by corsair67 on May 21, 2010 23:05:06 GMT 12
Sad, but true: the only ones semingly getting anything out of the Defence Budget are auditors, consultants and project managers.
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Post by kiwiscanfly on May 22, 2010 1:55:49 GMT 12
this is just my view, but it looks like they are spending to save, paying all of those kind people that corsair has kindly mentioned  |
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Post by nige on May 22, 2010 23:52:54 GMT 12
I'd say it's still early days yet i.e. it's at information gathering stage still (hence the consultants etc) and the Budget reflects the current state of play prior to the Whitepaper release i.e. completing the previous Govt's LTDP items that were funded. For example in the 2010/11 financial year there is some $229 earmarked for capital expenditure/refurbishment etc, which is outlined on page 44 of the second link and these are items well known to us here etc.
Post release of the Defence Whitepaper later this year and come this time next year eg Budget 2011, we'll then see the annual financial projections for the next lot of new capital expenditure/projects as defined by this Govt (and their associated projected operating costs etc) for the next few years out.
What's to come? Who knows but there has been some useful speculation in the Defence Whitepaper thread that was here (now somewhere else)!
Some clues on page 30 (from that second link):
Consolidating the ANZAC relationship: New Zealand’s close relationship with Australia is creating new opportunities to work with Australia and develop genuinely complementary capabilities. There will be particularly focus in the following areas:
• Air transport
• Response forces in the South Pacific
• Closer capability development cooperation
• Defence industry capability.
The Ministry of Defence will play a central role in developing and leading the implementation of closer
ANZAC cooperation.
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 23, 2010 10:39:03 GMT 12
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Post by corsair67 on May 23, 2010 13:09:18 GMT 12
To be completely fair to auditors, consultants and project managers; all those guys and girls at Ernst and Young have worked really, really, really hard for all the fees they've earnt over the past 9 years on the Skyhawk and Macchi sale gig........  How much have the Govt budgetted for the up-keep and fee payments required for the Skyhawks and Macchis over the next 12 months, and in which bunch of budget calculation figures are those costs buried in? Time for the current Govt to finally cut the cr@p, admit the "current deal" isn't ever going to happen, and finally cut their losses. Send two or three Skyhawks to the RNZAF Museum at Wigram, one or two to the FAA Museum at Nowra and maybe one or two to Temora Aviation Museum (if they want them) - wheel the rest into the trade training hangar, or sell them as scrap if they are not wanted for training purposes. |
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Post by beagle on May 23, 2010 20:07:57 GMT 12
the same thing is going to happen to about 65 F/A -18 Hornets in 7-10 years or even sooner
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Post by yogi on May 23, 2010 20:43:17 GMT 12
"The Defence Force has the skills and tools to deliver the peacemaking, peacekeeping, and humanitarian assistance required of it. This year's priority is to ensure the full benefit of these resources is available to our service personnel in the most effective way."
Dont forget Mr. Mapp the prime directive of the defence force is actually D-E-F-E-N-C-E
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 23, 2010 20:54:05 GMT 12
A couple of years ago an audit found that the RNZAF could either be a training establishment or an operational establishment but did not have the funding to carry out both at once. I don't really think the budget has ever risen enough to rectify this.
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Post by corsair67 on May 23, 2010 22:47:55 GMT 12
I can't really imagine that the RAAF Hornets will sit around for 9 or more years while sucessive governments make all sorts of excuses about a possible sale deal.
At a guess, I'd say the majority of the RAAF Hornets will most likely end up scrapped as soon as they leave service - as they will pretty much be worn out by the time the are retired, and I can't really see there being too many countries that the US would allow them to be sold to.
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Post by kiwiscanfly on Jun 9, 2010 18:52:37 GMT 12
Seem's as if they have found another $50 million from housing that they are going to sell............. not much but i'm all up for it every little bit counts. (3news.co.nz)
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 9, 2010 19:21:38 GMT 12
Which houses?? Which bases are losing them? How can they sell them? Usual procedure is either gift to Maori tribes or gift to Housing Corp.
The Navy had some incredibly valuable property around Devonport but good old Labour gave it all to a local tribe and now the Navy has to rent it back...
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Post by phil on Jun 9, 2010 19:36:09 GMT 12
A proportion of MQs from Ohakea and Whenuapai/Hobby are being sold off in the short term, with more within a 5 year time frame, I know some houses are being sold off from Linton as well.
I am not sure about WB.
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Post by kiwiscanfly on Jun 9, 2010 21:32:54 GMT 12
50 million spare sounds like a bit more property than one would assume the NZDF needed, i'm glad that we are prioritizing our spending and getting more of it to the "front line" so to speak. more helicopters  |
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Post by kiwiscanfly on Jun 9, 2010 21:33:13 GMT 12
and the C295's
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Post by phil on Jun 9, 2010 22:05:25 GMT 12
50 million spare sounds like a bit more property than one would assume the NZDF needed, i'm glad that we are prioritizing our spending and getting more of it to the "front line" so to speak. more helicopters You wouldn't be saying that if you couldn't get a MQ in Auckland... |
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Post by kiwiscanfly on Jun 9, 2010 22:13:20 GMT 12
valid point......... but don't they now subsidize living off base instead of a MQ?
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