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Post by errolmartyn on Sept 8, 2017 15:21:47 GMT 12
During the war over 50 airmen were enlisted in the photography trade.
Errol
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 8, 2017 15:30:44 GMT 12
I wonder if all of them kept a collection of interesting wartime photos that have not made it into the official archives. There could be gold out there in shoeboxes... I met wartime photographer Doug Vahry who had some great photos not seen elsewhere.
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Post by camtech on Sept 8, 2017 15:34:48 GMT 12
A guy by the name of Tom Leaf, who used to own the garage at Whenuapai was a photographer at some stage during the war, and he had some interesting stuff. Some of it was copied by the photographers at Whenuapai, because they could find none of his photos in the archives. I managed to get some copies and they are among the ones I've been posting here. I have still identified them as RNZAF, as they have the copy negs.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 12, 2017 0:52:18 GMT 12
Here are three squadron photos that WWII veteran Des Gate sent me earlier today. Des wrote "When leaving Ardmore for Ohakea in 1946 I rescued from the Orderly room rubbish." No. 21 (Fighter) Squadron  In the back row above you'll note forum member Reg Wellington who gave a great talk on No. 22 Squadron at the Karapiro Forum Meet a few years back. Graeme Ronayne is there too, he lived here in Cambridge though I never met him. I had the pleasure to interview Noel Hanna too. No. 23 (Fighter) Squadron "The Ghosts"  Sadly no names for The Ghosts, but isn't that Ghost mascot they have just wonderful? It's a 3-D version of their artwork of the cloaked, hooded skeletal ghost holding the bomb that adorned their Corsairs! I wonder what happened to this statue. No. 21 (Fighter) Squadron  It is spelled wrong on the caption but in the middle row is Frank Culliford who gave us a very spirited talk at an Auckland Forum Meet last year at Don Subritzky's place. I have also had the pleasure to meet Snow Barr and Rusty Gash from this group. Great men. |
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Post by starr on Sept 12, 2017 10:57:59 GMT 12
In the top photo, bottom right F/O R.C.Shorthouse started his agricultural pilot career with Aircraft Services Ltd (owned by Doug Grieg) at Mangere. He then went on to Fletchers. He did a fair amount of his flying in the north. He shifted to Whangarei and after James Aviation took over Aircraft Services he became Area Manager in the north. He stayed in that role until he retired. He was Area Manager for the biggest part of my time flying for James.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 12, 2017 11:06:45 GMT 12
I never ceases to amaze me how many of the early topdressing pilots were ex-Corsair pilots. Of course John "Snow" Barr seen in the No. 21 Squadron photo is another one, he was part of Barr Brothers.
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Post by pjw4118 on Sept 12, 2017 17:27:18 GMT 12
The Shorthouses were a remarkable family , Bob flew Spitfires with 164 sq in the UK then Hurricanes with 253 in the Desert. Elder brother Jack flew Battles in France and was shot down, a spell with PRU then Canada .. back to UK in 42 for a tour on 44 , finally as CO of 189 sq.
Peter ( Eric) flew P40s in the Pacific with one kill ( in NZ3195 ) On a later tour he was killed on 15 sq ( 14 Jan 44 in NZ5357 ?)
Much of this families service is included in chapters of Kiwis Do Fly
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Post by angelsonefive on Sept 12, 2017 18:16:01 GMT 12
" Peter ( Eric) flew P40s in the Pacific with one kill ( in NZ3195 ) On a later tour he was killed on 15 sq ( 14 Jan 44 in NZ5357 ?)"
It was NZ5317 on 12/4/45. From ADF-NZ Serials.
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Post by pjw4118 on Sept 13, 2017 16:33:42 GMT 12
Correct , I have rechecked the logbook copies I have. Apparently he was due to return to NZ the following day.
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Post by camtech on Oct 6, 2017 19:07:25 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 6, 2017 20:58:08 GMT 12
Seated, third from left is Ted Harvie, and beside him in the centre wearing the peaked cap is Ron Kirkup.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Oct 6, 2017 20:59:00 GMT 12
That Harvard behind them looks like a canard.   |
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Post by davidd on Oct 10, 2017 17:46:27 GMT 12
Probably the upper wings of a Hawker Hind - CFS had a single example for a while, NZ1545 from memory.
David D
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Post by chook on May 1, 2018 11:48:43 GMT 12
WRT the photo of 21 (F) SQN above I'd say front row 4 from left is actually F/O (Ray) Mackinder.
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Post by davidd on May 1, 2018 23:48:35 GMT 12
Chook,
You are almost certainly right, there was certainly no Mackinden in any RNZAF wartime fighter squadron, nor even in the RNZAF anywhere in the world! The wartime Officer lists would attest to that.
David D
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Post by pjw4118 on Jul 27, 2018 10:04:07 GMT 12
FRom John Bradleys album KIA 11/8/42 106 Squadron   |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 27, 2018 11:38:57 GMT 12
That's great with the nicknames. And Len Chambers in there too.
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Post by andrew1951 on Aug 5, 2018 7:39:59 GMT 12
Hello David, My name is Andrew Scott. The R.C.E. Scott on the Wigram's No 7 course was my father who departed N.Z. aged 21 on the TAMAROA aand arrived Tilbury January 17th 1940. I have a scrap-book of his - Roy was a keen amateur photographer - with photos of the trip from N.Z. to U.K. There are several photos of Eric, Graham, Malc. , and Rolph but no family names. In December 1940 Roy was posted to 12 O.T.U. for training on Wellingtons and from there to 103 Squadron and flew his first mission over occupied Europe on May 28th 1941 as second pilot. From June 12th he was first pilot and flew some 24 missions with Wellington n° TL2999. His last mission was on September 12th 1941 after which he was posted to B.A.T School, Watchfield. One of the regular members of his crew was SGT MAXI TURNER, R.N.Z.A.F; a navigator. Happily I still have Roy's log book n° 2 with the details of his bombing runs over Europe. Roy ended the war with Transport Command in Burma and subsequently became Chief Pilot in the King's Squadron in the early 50's and continued in the R.A.F. before leaving for a job in civil aviation in the late 60's having attained the rank of Group Captain. Roy never talked about the war like most of his generation and we, as kids, never asked him about it as we were too busy forging our own path in life. He passed away in 1982. I guess that we could call him an 'ordinary hero' like the rest of the 17 young men who left N.Z. on the TAMAROA. Please feel free to contact me if you think I can help you with any further research. As stated, I have a few of Roy's pre-war scrap books and the 1941-42 log book.
Thank you. Andrew Scott ( Belgium ).
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Post by errolmartyn on Aug 5, 2018 12:51:48 GMT 12
Hello David, My name is Andrew Scott. The R.C.E. Scott on the Wigram's No 7 course was my father who departed N.Z. aged 21 on the TAMAROA aand arrived Tilbury January 17th 1940. I have a scrap-book of his - Roy was a keen amateur photographer - with photos of the trip from N.Z. to U.K. There are several photos of Eric, Graham, Malc. , and Rolph but no family names. In December 1940 Roy was posted to 12 O.T.U. for training on Wellingtons and from there to 103 Squadron and flew his first mission over occupied Europe on May 28th 1941 as second pilot. From June 12th he was first pilot and flew some 24 missions with Wellington n° TL2999. His last mission was on September 12th 1941 after which he was posted to B.A.T School, Watchfield. One of the regular members of his crew was SGT MAXI TURNER, R.N.Z.A.F; a navigator. Happily I still have Roy's log book n° 2 with the details of his bombing runs over Europe. Roy ended the war with Transport Command in Burma and subsequently became Chief Pilot in the King's Squadron in the early 50's and continued in the R.A.F. before leaving for a job in civil aviation in the late 60's having attained the rank of Group Captain. Roy never talked about the war like most of his generation and we, as kids, never asked him about it as we were too busy forging our own path in life. He passed away in 1982. I guess that we could call him an 'ordinary hero' like the rest of the 17 young men who left N.Z. on the TAMAROA. Please feel free to contact me if you think I can help you with any further research. As stated, I have a few of Roy's pre-war scrap books and the 1941-42 log book. Thank you. Andrew Scott ( Belgium ).
Andrew, Tamaroa names for you: Barnett, M E F Michael Edward Fulton Best, E V Eric Vernon Cameron, E C J Edward Colin Joseph Denton, F H Frank Henderson Duigan, J James [aka Brian James] Gilmour, D V Douglas Veale Humphreys, A G L Arthur George Lee Loasby, L D Laurence David MacFarlane, M H Malcolm Hugh McArthur, D H Duncan Harold Morton, J E S John Edward Stewart Outram, H A Harold Aitken Parker, G N Graham Noel Pownall, C A Charles Aylmer Rolph-Smith, D M Desmond Malcolm Scott, R C E Roy Charles Edwin Shorthouse, J S John Sidney Maxi Turner is almost certainly this man - From Colin Hanson’s By Such Deeds – Honours and awards in the Royal New Zealand Air Force, 1923 – 1999: TURNER, Flight Lieutenant Maxwell Gyles, DFM. NZ391389 & 133364; Born Wellington, 29 Dec 1918; RNZAF 20 Nov 1939 to 2 Dec 1944; Navigator. Citation Distinguished Flying Medal (29 Jan 1942): [103 Sqn RAF (Wellington)] As a navigator, this airman has taken part in attacks on Germany which have included Cologne, Hamburg, Bremen, Emden, Essen and Berlin. Sergeant Turner has proved himself to be a first class navigator and throughout his fine record of achievement he has displayed courage and coolness of a high order. His cheerful confidence and fine spirit have set a magnificent example to the squadron. Flt Lt Turner returned to NZ in Apr 1943 and served with 40 and 41 Sqns RNZAF until Nov 1944. Errol |
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Post by fwx on Aug 21, 2018 10:30:33 GMT 12
Hi Andrew,
Any chance of posting those Tamaroa photos from your father's album please?
Most went on to fly with 75 (NZ) Squadron which I have a particular interest in, including contact with three families from Graham Noel Parker's crew at Feltwell - I know they would be very keen to see any photos of Graham (apparently known as "Darkie").
Any positive ID's are also very useful in identifying members in group photos that we have.
Thanks very much, cheers, Chris.
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