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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2010 18:22:01 GMT 12
On several occasions lately, including tonight on 3 News, i have heard the current HMNZS Canterbury ferred to as a frigate. Is that the correct term for this class of ship? Is HMNZS Endeavour also a frigate?
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 4, 2010 18:30:02 GMT 12
Thats just so the Nat govt can claim we now have a three frigate Navy although one is rather excellently camouflaged as a transport ship  |
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Post by Parrotfish on Jul 6, 2010 23:22:06 GMT 12
It just called that because to the media a Navy ship is a frigate. Canterbury is a MRV (Multi-Role Vessel). Not a Frigate.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 7, 2010 18:01:24 GMT 12
It just called that because to the media a Navy ship is a frigate. Canterbury is a MRV (Multi-Role Vessel). Not a Frigate. With one of the roles being a frigate (for the press  ) |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 7, 2010 18:45:03 GMT 12
Wouldn't it be cooler if they referred to it as an aircraft carrier? (which is another of its roles).
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 8, 2010 20:39:39 GMT 12
Then we could from a fleet Air Arm (note small 'f') but the Air Force would lose yet another sqn or possibly even two sqns  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 9, 2010 10:16:53 GMT 12
Just tell the media it is the fleet air arm of the RNZAF
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Post by kiwiscanfly on Jul 17, 2010 15:13:12 GMT 12
An aircraft carrier.......... Love the idea Dave I can see the media reports already. "And today the Royal New Zealand Navy dispatched the aircraft carrier HMNZS Canterbury to troubled Thailand to assist with the evacuations of New Zealand Citizens"  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 17, 2010 17:09:02 GMT 12
Apparently in the immediate postwar period the RNZN was very close to getting an aircraft carrier, surplus of the RN, along with all the necessary Seafires, Fireflies and probably Swordfish. We had enough experienced deck officers, crews and aircrews to keep it going too. But then the Government put the kybosh on it. A pity I think.
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 17, 2010 20:25:39 GMT 12
Lucky. We may have got the aircraft carrier that became HMAS Melbourne then proceded to a have a series of collisions with her escort ships.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 17, 2010 21:26:36 GMT 12
Was it a bit like HMS Troutbridge then? ;D
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Post by kiwiscanfly on Jul 18, 2010 13:56:56 GMT 12
The damage done to HMAS Melbourne was huge considering it was just a small collision!! and if we did have a carrier from the RN it would have lasted us a long time and our military would be very different today!!
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Post by skyhawkdon on Jul 27, 2010 15:12:43 GMT 12
The damage done to HMAS Melbourne was huge considering it was just a small collision!! ?? A small collision?? It split in half and sank two Destroyers on two separate occassions, one RAN and the other USN, with a large loss of life on both Destroyers! |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 30, 2010 23:07:27 GMT 12
Did you know the Queen mary ran over and split the anti-aircraft escort cruiser HMS Curacao in half during a convoy in the Atlantic and killed a lot of men too. The QM carried on to the UK and then went back to the USA for repairs, carrying several NZ Fleet Air Arm pilots on her that I have interviewed. Apparently the smaller vessel cut across in front and there was nothing the QM crew could do to avoid it. Only 92 of the 650 onboard Curacao were rescued from the sea.
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Post by corsair67 on Jul 30, 2010 23:57:49 GMT 12
There's a lot to be said for not crossing in front of an aircraft carrier. |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Jul 31, 2010 7:31:06 GMT 12
There's a lot to be said for not crossing in front of an aircraft carrier. And trains and trucks, in fact its generally best to avoid anything much bigger than you |
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Post by Ykato on Aug 15, 2010 13:12:27 GMT 12
Seed sowed at MBC for navy commander Jim Gilmour has come a long way since his school days at Marlborough Boys' College; he is now commander of HMNZS Canterbury. He is quick to admit he was only an average student at college. In 1985 he joined the New Zealand navy as a radio operator/junior rating because it seemed the most challenging option at that time. A year later he was selected for training as an officer, a bridge watchkeeper. "That's ship driver," he said with a grin. He specialised in navigation, and in 1989 was promoted to sub-lieutenant as navigator on HMNZS Waikato. "A year later I was selected for helicopter pilot training." This was the start of 13 years association as aviator/pilot working his way up the career ladder to become commanding officer of the naval helicopter squadron. Full Story located Here: www.stuff.co.nz/marlborough-express/news/4021178/Seed-sowed-at-MBC-for-navy-commander/ |
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Post by yogi on Aug 22, 2010 21:28:57 GMT 12
The damage done to HMAS Melbourne was huge considering it was just a small collision!! and if we did have a carrier from the RN it would have lasted us a long time and our military would be very different today!! If auckland or wellington had been bombed in wwII then we would have a very different military today, not so sure about the aquisition of a carrier Still a nice thought! ;D N.B I mean the carrier not the bombing........ |
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 13, 2013 19:17:45 GMT 12
Improving Flight Capability for Navy's Amphibious Sealift Ship(Source: New Zealand Defence Force; dated Sept. 4, 2013) The Royal NZ Navy and Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) are working alongside the Australian Defence Force to develop the capabilities of HMNZS Canterbury, conducting First of Class Flight Trials for the NH90 helicopter from her flight deck. The Royal NZ Navy and Royal New Zealand Air Force (RNZAF) are working alongside the Australian Defence Force to develop the capabilities of HMNZS Canterbury, conducting First of Class Flight Trials for the NH90 helicopter from her flight deck. HMNZS Canterbury is conducting two weeks of first of class flight trials for the NH90 off the north-east coast of Australia, 26 August to 6 September. The trials will be conducted using a Royal Australian Navy test pilot and team and an ADF MRH90 helicopter (similar to the RNZAF NH90). The flight trials represent an important step for integrating the NH90 helicopter into the NZ Defence Force, said the Commander Joint Forces New Zealand, Air Vice-Marshal (AVM) Kevin Short. "The purpose of the trials is to establish the operating limits for the NH90 on HMNZS Canterbury. This is a planned step in the process of bringing the NH90 into NZ Defence Force service," he said The First of Class Flight Trials involve testing the helicopter and the ship’s company onboard HMNZS Canterbury in a wide range of wind and sea states, in order to develop an authorised template for flying onboard. "It takes the ship’s company and the embarked aviation team to their limits in a controlled environment," explained the Commanding Officer HMNZS Canterbury, Commander (CDR) David Turner. "These trials ensure that we are able to generate an aviation capability so that we’re prepared and ready to conduct flight operations across a wide range of conditions in the course of our duties. "First of class trials are a unique challenge. It’s the first time that these activities are being conducted onboard HMNZS Canterbury with a state of the art helicopter," CDR Turner said. "The opportunity to work with the ADF to conduct First of Class Flight Trials provides additional training opportunities, and builds interoperability and familiarity with HMNZS Canterbury," said AVM Short. -ends- This first appeared on the Defence Aerospace.com website on 10/9/2013 and and last updated on the NZDF website on 9/9/2013. It wasn't there last week when I looked, so they took their time getting it out considering the release is dated 4/9/2013. Bit slack on NZDFs part.
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 13, 2013 19:29:57 GMT 12
The damage done to HMAS Melbourne was huge considering it was just a small collision!! and if we did have a carrier from the RN it would have lasted us a long time and our military would be very different today!! If auckland or wellington had been bombed in wwII then we would have a very different military today, not so sure about the aquisition of a carrier Still a nice thought! ;D N.B I mean the carrier not the bombing........ I agree about any bombing of NZ and the subsequent NZ armed forces, but no I don't think we would've obtained a carrier. It would've been to expensive to operate even in those times plus we had the cruisers. However it was argued by some in the RNZN that the cruisers were not suited for the Pacific. I think at that time we were pushing it to operate one 6" cruiser, five or six frigates plus minesweepers and ancillary boats. If we had a carrier it would've taken most of the navy to crew it and leave little for the required escorts and support vessels. That's the thing about carriers, you got to have escorts and support vessels which cost both money (lots) and manpower. Those are some of the reasons why the HMASs Melbourne & Sydney weren't replaced by the Aussie govt. |
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