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Post by ZacYates on Dec 2, 2018 11:56:33 GMT 12
Over on the Key Publishing Forum one poster has compared changing the name of Gibson's dog for the new film to Holocaust denial, after earlier saying that keeping the dog's name is the only thing that would redeem Sir Peter/make him "worthy" of this production.
That's one thread this excited, happy chap won't be visiting again.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 2, 2018 14:15:27 GMT 12
Don't bring that stupid dog's name debate here either. It is ridiculous. Anyone would think the dog was flying the aeroplanes.
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Post by smithy on Dec 2, 2018 14:31:52 GMT 12
The problem with the dog's name is that from an historic point of view it is important to the facts of the raid because it was picked as the code word for the destruction of the Möhne Dam. This word was one which those back in Britain were waiting on tender hooks to hear transmitted so it does have significance to the story of the raid.
The slippery slope for me is that when you start sanitising history for modern audiences where do you stop? Do we remove all language which to our ears now is inappropriate or offensive? Do we go further and remove references to actions and events which could be construed as offensive?
The past and it's attitudes never fit with the current generation. For the most part for most civilised people we don't think throwing Christians to the lions is any more appropriate now as using historically, racially offensive language. But I think it's wrong to try and put 21st century attitudes on depictions of historic behaviour and language. Changing depictions of the past and glossing over inconvenient facts to fit in with modern sensibilities is a very slippery slope. The past is what it is, let it be that way. Additionally, individual countries depending upon their censorship rules have the ability to dub, censor, cut and/or replace anything which they deem too much for their countries' populations.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 2, 2018 14:50:04 GMT 12
What did I just say?
Don't bring that stupid dog's name debate here either.
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Post by smithy on Dec 2, 2018 14:58:06 GMT 12
Sorry Dave, I didn't mean to offend although I obviously have. I'll push off and leave well alone.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 2, 2018 15:02:37 GMT 12
All good Tim. Not offended, I'm just sick of seeing the debate on every other forum and Facebook post and it always goes the same way, degenerating into a pointless fight.
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Dec 2, 2018 16:05:07 GMT 12
Fair enough Dave. Gotta say though, Smithy's summation was very well thought out and worded, I thought.
I hope PJ gives this chapter in history the salute it deserves
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 31, 2018 12:16:46 GMT 12
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Post by pjw4118 on Jan 6, 2019 14:00:39 GMT 12
I see in Januarys Aeroplane magazine a news item quoting Peter Jackson that , 'the film is set to go into production."
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Post by harrysone on Jul 24, 2019 16:40:45 GMT 12
Very Interesting...I wound up watching a 2009 BBC doc on Netflix the other night, its the one with Stephen Fry called "Last Chance to See" to do with world's endangered animals. As a distraction on the NZ episode (actually dealing with the Kakapo) Stephen Fry wound up talking to Peter Jackson at the Weta Workshop warehouses. They were both standing in front of one of the very enigmatic Lancasters and also a mostly complete Vickers Wellington mock-up sitting on its landing gear ! Very Intriguing! I must see if I can capture a screen image of that scene and put it up.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 24, 2019 16:51:18 GMT 12
That Wellington replica was discussed extensively around the internet at the time. Hard to believe it has been ten years now!
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Post by delticman on Jul 24, 2019 17:35:22 GMT 12
Very Interesting...I wound up watching a 2009 BBC doc on Netflix the other night, its the one with Stephen Fry called "Last Chance to See" to do with world's endangered animals. As a distraction on the NZ episode (actually dealing with the Kakapo) Stephen Fry wound up talking to Peter Jackson at the Weta Workshop warehouses. They were both standing in front of one of the very enigmatic Lancasters and also a mostly complete Vickers Wellington mock-up sitting on its landing gear ! Very Intriguing! I must see if I can capture a screen image of that scene and put it up. It's on an Blog site.https://dambustersblog.com/category/stephen-fry/ |
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Post by harrysone on Jul 25, 2019 10:30:40 GMT 12
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