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Post by meo4 on Feb 15, 2012 21:08:25 GMT 12
Like most of the Navies ships - go for the cheapest option and have continual problems forever after. The 4 Patrol craft where like that - botched design on the cheap that made even the hardest old salts sea sick in certain conditions, and plagued by appalling Paxman V12's, that seemed to blow up at the slightest provocation. So, just following on in the Traditions of the RNZN......... Was that the Lake class patrol boats of the 70s 80s ?there's an ex HMNZs Hawera in Bayswater marina turned pleasure craft. Today's IPVs have a marine version of a V12 MAN B&W locomotive diesel for propulsion hasn't had any issues but had a couple niggles with the generators. |
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Post by 30sqnatc on Feb 15, 2012 23:18:51 GMT 12
While i was not privvy to the purchasing, politics and the like, (way above my pay scale), the ships were largely designed, purchased, and signed off by MoD, not Navy. I'm sorry but you don't understand the process. The MOD purchase equipment against the User Requirements which are developed and authorised by the user service. In the acqusition process there may have to be a reduction or even removal of some elements of the requirements due to cost, lack of ability to achieve etc, but again, all of these are approved by the user service. |
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Post by ngatimozart on Feb 16, 2012 19:26:16 GMT 12
Like most of the Navies ships - go for the cheapest option and have continual problems forever after. The 4 Patrol craft where like that - botched design on the cheap that made even the hardest old salts sea sick in certain conditions, and plagued by appalling Paxman V12's, that seemed to blow up at the slightest provocation. So, just following on in the Traditions of the RNZN......... Were you talking about the IPCs? I was on Kiwi and we didn't have many problems with sea sickness apart from when we feed the fish first watch out after a hard run ashore. One trip we did have some frigate sailors who tended to feed the fish quite a bit. |
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Post by Calum on Feb 17, 2012 12:11:04 GMT 12
You get what you pay for a general rule
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Post by ngatimozart on Feb 18, 2012 22:41:27 GMT 12
You get what you pay for a general rule Very true. Just look at what we got to replace Otago & Taranaki.Thats a favourite gripe ofmine the polies not taking the long view and just seeing quick fix short term solutions.They only think in terms - three year electoral cycles. You can't do that with defence. |
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Post by meo4 on Feb 19, 2012 9:21:42 GMT 12
You get what you pay for a general rule Very true. Just look at what we got to replace Otago & Taranaki.Thats a favourite gripe ofmine the polies not taking the long view and just seeing quick fix short term solutions.They only think in terms - three year electoral cycles. You can't do that with defence. Weren't they replaced with ex RN leanders Wellington and Southland ,Wellington was apparently in better nic than Canterbury when was decommissioned in 1999/2000. With the COTS commercial off the shelf IPVs it would of cost an extra 50000 to get mil spec Armidales class .Phil Goof was then defence minster so go figure. |
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Post by John L on Feb 19, 2012 20:17:17 GMT 12
Like most of the Navies ships - go for the cheapest option and have continual problems forever after. The 4 Patrol craft where like that - botched design on the cheap that made even the hardest old salts sea sick in certain conditions, and plagued by appalling Paxman V12's, that seemed to blow up at the slightest provocation. So, just following on in the Traditions of the RNZN......... Was that the Lake class patrol boats of the 70s 80s ?there's an ex HMNZs Hawera in Bayswater marina turned pleasure craft. Today's IPVs have a marine version of a V12 MAN B&W locomotive diesel for propulsion hasn't had any issues but had a couple niggles with the generators. Yeah - those ones - I did a stint on the Hawea and was sea sick for the first time in my life, on those things. They were meant to have been based on the Australian patrol craft, but the powers that be decided to shorten them by 30 feet, which gave them a nasty short coupled pitching motion in certain conditions and replace the mainly reliable V16 paxmans, with the mainly unreliable V12s. All in the name of cost........ |
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Post by shorty on Jul 6, 2012 15:06:31 GMT 12
This morning I watched the Canterbury sail past my lounge window, Man that is one ugly ship!
I can see why the Navy is having staffing problems if that's what they have on offer(BTW there was not a soul to be seen on it as it came up the harbour at 11.4 knots, just .3 of a knot under it's max speed according to marinetraffic.com)
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 6, 2012 16:38:25 GMT 12
"there was not a soul to be seen"
Herald headline tomorrow - "Man spots ghost ship"....
You live in Dunedin, they were probably all inside in the warm! Haha.
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Post by scratch on Jul 6, 2012 23:03:30 GMT 12
Canterbury's max speed is around 20 knots.
We watch her near sister, Straitsman, operated by Strait Shipping, come in and out of Wellington several times a day with nobody visible until just before berthing. Modern ships don't have the crew to stand around on the focsle and quarterdeck like they did in my day ...
Re the purchase of the Lake Class patrol craft that were being discussed back in Feb, the Navy/Defence recommendation was for the 115 foot (might have been 125 foot - I can't recall exactly) Brook Marine vessel on the basis of some very thorough assessments of wave length on the NZ coast. But the cost was higher than the Govt of the day was prepared to accept, and the Navy was told to come back with a proposal for a smaller, cheaper vessel. Of course, as time would soon tell, 107.8 feet is just the wrong length for our coast. Length is important because it determines how a vessel copes in a swell. If she is too short she will drop off the wave into the following trough, rather than spanning two crests.
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