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Post by beagle on Mar 1, 2012 16:43:00 GMT 12
No new images anyone. No one camping out on the main road waiting to catch one
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Post by beagle on Mar 2, 2012 3:51:45 GMT 12
Will they be on Blackbird this year
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Post by flyjoe180 on Mar 2, 2012 10:11:42 GMT 12
I'm also surprised there have been no photos yet.
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Post by beagle on Mar 2, 2012 18:52:49 GMT 12
We might have to do a road trip mate. But it is only weeks away before we will be flooded with images from some airshows where they will be gleaming under the sun, well one airshow further south.
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Post by nige on Mar 3, 2012 11:03:57 GMT 12
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Post by beagle on Mar 3, 2012 14:47:24 GMT 12
Thats if we get enough airframes up to carry out the testing. The Aussies with now 15 frames are having trouble getting their testing done due to lack of spares amd other technical problems.
Hope ours go smoother
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 3, 2012 15:22:42 GMT 12
What does MUH mean?
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Post by beagle on Mar 3, 2012 16:59:39 GMT 12
hopefully it won't be Much Useless Helicopter
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Post by strikemaster on Mar 3, 2012 17:15:28 GMT 12
That'd be the Aussie one.........
I think it wanted to be a Lumberjack.
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Post by kiwi on Mar 4, 2012 11:34:16 GMT 12
The Aussies have had an engine fail and their Squadies keep punching holes in the floor with their rifles .
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Post by ngatimozart on Mar 4, 2012 19:27:47 GMT 12
That'd be the Aussie one......... I think it wanted to be a Lumberjack. and wear dresses like it's dear old mum. |
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Post by jonesy on Mar 4, 2012 20:01:26 GMT 12
The Aussies have had an engine fail and their Squadies keep punching holes in the floor with their rifles . A sheet of 20mm ply would do the trick for that. None of that namby pamby alloy stuff on the floor! We've got heaps of it here and I'd be happy to drop a couple of sheets on at OH in exchange for a quick blat over Santoft again, I know theyre a bit short of cash down there so that should be a pretty fair trade!  |
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Post by Calum on Mar 6, 2012 13:24:47 GMT 12
The Aussies have had an engine fail and their Squadies keep punching holes in the floor with their rifles . A sheet of 20mm ply would do the trick for that. None of that namby pamby alloy stuff on the floor! We've got heaps of it here and I'd be happy to drop a couple of sheets on at OH in exchange for a quick blat over Santoft again, I know theyre a bit short of cash down there so that should be a pretty fair trade! IIRC thats the solution. Although again IIRC the floor is composite. the NH-90 is good as long as you don't want to drop your troops off in an area where they might get shot at. From what I've read elesewhere the soldiers can't sit on the seats wearing all their webbing/ armour as the average grunt exceeds the weight to which the seat is specifed for the current crashworthiness standards. |
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Post by Calum on Mar 6, 2012 13:33:52 GMT 12
That'd be the Aussie one......... . The RNZAF ones are pretty much the same as the Aussie ones . No one has introduced this aircraft without problems. I'd be surprised if the RNZAF are any different... But hopefully they'll benefit from the Australian/German and French experiences. |
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Post by strikemaster on Mar 6, 2012 17:40:00 GMT 12
That sounds like some pretty major flaws in the floors. I guess they could sit on their helmets, age old trick but it might work. They could dispense with the seats then. ;D
ngatimozart, and I thought you were so butch.
How do we manage to end up with so many cock ups? Tennex, this, the LAV's, seems endless.
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Post by ngatimozart on Mar 6, 2012 18:53:12 GMT 12
That sounds like some pretty major flaws in the floors. I guess they could sit on their helmets, age old trick but it might work. They could dispense with the seats then. ;D And I am just following the python lines. Actually the RNZAF could have problems with the seats and the floors of the NH90. Think how many members of NZDF are Polynesian (incl Māori in that definition) and the size of my Polynesian cuzzies. Picture Jonah Lomu in full combat gear and size 16 boots. I've got a nephew who is 21, 6ft 8in; 40 pick axe handles across the shoulders and not an ounce of fat on him. He's trying to force his way into the Counties Manukau Rep rugby team. Played under 20's for them. He makes Jonah Lomu look like a midget. Therefore I hope that they've taken such things into account. It's reasonably obvious to the likes of us but to thems that in the rarefied stratosphere of high level decision making; well thats another story isn't it  Europeans build for European body mass & sounds like they used the Italiens as the standard and one size fits all which doesn't take the Germans into account  They won't have factored in the body mass of people like the Polynesians whom they have no, or very little experience of, but who make are a sizeable cohort of our population and hence our armed forces. |
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Post by beagle on Mar 6, 2012 20:39:45 GMT 12
Easy fix, do the good old Kiwi inginuity, (know how) and cover the floor with some ply and go back to the webbing seats like in the Herks. They have lasted 47 years, although I have spent a bit of time in the Upholstery Section repairing quite a few.
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Post by beagle on Mar 6, 2012 20:46:44 GMT 12
  MAIN DATA Weights Maximum gross weight . . . . . . 10,600 kg Alternate gross weight . . . . . 11,000 kg Cabin cargo capacity. . . . . . > 2,500 kg Cargo hook. . . . . . . . . . . . 4,000 kg Rescue hoist. . . . . . . . . . . . 200 kg External store. . . . . . . . . . . 400 kg (x2) Engine ratings (SL, ISA) Maximum (30 minutes). . . . . . . 2,400 shp (x2) Maximum continuous. . . . . . . . 2,230 shp (x2) OEI continuous (1 hr) . . . . . . 2,417 shp OEI maximum contingency . . . . . 2,622 shp (2.5 min) OEI emergency (30 s). . . . . . . 2,895 shp Fuel capacity 7-cell internal system. . . . . . . . . 2,036 kg External auxiliary fuel tank. . up to 2 x 248 kg Cabin ferry tank. . . . . . . . up to 4 x 400 kg Main dimensions Length, rotors turning. . . . . . 19.56 m Height, rotors turning . . . . . . 5.23 m Lenght, fuselage max. . . . . . . 16.13 m Width, overall . . . . . . . . . . 4.52 m Main rotor diameter . . . . . . . 16.30 m Folded dimensions Length. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 13.50 m Height . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.16 m Width. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 3.80 m Cargo cabin internal dimensions Length . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 4.80 m Width. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 2.00 m Height . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1.58 m (std cabin) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .1.82 m (high cabin) Volume. . . . . . . . . . . . . . 15.20 m3 (std cabin) . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 17.50 m3 (high cabin) Sliding doors opening (WxH). . . . 1.60 m x 1.50 m Rear ramp opening (WxH). . . . . . 1.78 m x 1.58 m Seating/arrangement Crew. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1/3 Crashworthy troop seats. . . . . . . 20 Stretchers . . . . . . . . . . . . . 12 |
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Post by Calum on Mar 6, 2012 22:31:27 GMT 12
That sounds like some pretty major flaws in the floors. I guess they could sit on their helmets, age old trick but it might work. They could dispense with the seats then. ;D ngatimozart, and I thought you were so butch. How do we manage to end up with so many cock ups? Tennex, this, the LAV's, seems endless. They can't even stick there stuff under the seats because that will affect crashworthiness (the seats stroke IIRC) |
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Post by Calum on Mar 6, 2012 22:36:34 GMT 12
Easy fix, do the good old Kiwi inginuity, (know how) and cover the floor with some ply and go back to the webbing seats like in the Herks. They have lasted 47 years, although I have spent a bit of time in the Upholstery Section repairing quite a few. Those seats don't meet the current crash-worthiness standards. At the subsequent BOI how you going to explain to the relatives that you removed crashworthy seats and fitted stuff from the 1950's .... Similar seats were in the RAN sea Kings. IIRC The BOI concluded that if the passengers were on crashworthy seats there would have been more survivors. The RAN fitted crashworthy seats to the SK 50s after this |
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Europeans build for European body mass & sounds like they used the Italiens as the standard and one size fits all which doesn't take the Germans into account 
They won't have factored in the body mass of people like the Polynesians whom they have no, or very little experience of, but who make are a sizeable cohort of our population and hence our armed forces.