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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 26, 2012 19:46:48 GMT 12
I recorded this show "in the field" at Mystery Creek as the team were disassembling Douglas Dakota ZK-AZL for moving it up to the paint shop and repair workshops at Hamilton airport. The show is here: www.cambridgeairforce.org.nz/WONZ_Show.html#Ep14 |
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Post by ZacYates on Apr 29, 2012 18:28:23 GMT 12
It was great to hear from some of the key people involved with AZL's "dismount" and restoration. I must admit I was shocked to hear the control cables were actually cut, but when it was explained by way of the seized control panels it made enough sense and, as was said, "it's never going to fly again."
My only negative comment is the sound quality when talking to Lynnette. There seemed to be a microsecond echo which was a bit off-putting, but not terrible. I'm not too sure what would cause it or how to fix it.
But a great episode on a very worthy project.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 29, 2012 22:20:17 GMT 12
I had not actually realised there as an issue with the recording with Lynnette, to me who was there on the day I was thinking how amazing it came out considering the massive amount of noise there was around from generators, vehicles, tools, and a constant stream of overhead aeroplanes.
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Post by ZacYates on Apr 30, 2012 18:37:38 GMT 12
I was very impressed with how well it came out, considering all the ambient noise. Your equipment is well suited to such conditions, I think.
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Post by stu on Apr 30, 2012 21:22:20 GMT 12
My only negative comment is the sound quality when talking to Lynnette. There seemed to be a microsecond echo which was a bit off-putting, but not terrible. I'm not too sure what would cause it or how to fix it. Just a couple of thoughts after a quick listen to the i/v in question (I have been known to dabble with sound from time to time) but were you using two mics - one on you and one on Lynnette? This can create a hollow, "delayed" effect if both are left up. Essentially one person's voice is picked up by the other persons mic as well as their own - especially if one person is quietly spoken in comparison to the other and gain is increased (often automatically) to compensate. This creates more of a hollow "off mic" sound on the audio track although in some circumstances, you can also get a sort of slightly delayed phasing effect if you manage to stand in the right spot compared to the other person. Another example I've come across is if two audio tracks (L&R or 1&2 etc) are combined into a single mono track with one track being slightly out of sync with the other. In this case it would be a matter of milliseconds as opposed to frames and can quite easily be missed. Case in point, I initially listened to the i/v on my iPod's tiny little speaker and didn't notice anything but on listening on my semi decent pc speakers, the effect was noticeable - but not terribly so. There are other wonderful and magical things that the world of digital can introduce into audio that quite often defy logic and are not planned (think Pro Tools playing a single mono track back as a nice wide stereo image and then on the next pass - not). As the issue seems only to be on that part of the episode it would be interesting to know more details on how you shot and edited that particular i/v. That might help narrow down the cause. Nothing too major though so don't worry about it, you've just piqued my interest - I've heard a LOT worse that's been deemed fit for broadcast  Keep up the good work! Cheers, Stu. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 3, 2012 20:10:43 GMT 12
Thanks Stu. I missed your post as I forgot to bookmark this thread till now. Doh.
No, one microphone used in this case, plugged directly into the device without even a cable between.
And no, only one stereo track in the timeline, not a double track.
The set up for Lynnette's recording is identical for the two other interviewees who were done minutes before her.
I guess my PC sp[eakers are not as good as your's because I still have not picked up on what Zac was talking about while listening to it. I'm a bit baffled to be honest. Personally I'm more than happy how it came out, it was my first ever attempt at an on the fly - grab interviews as you can on a busy scene - show.
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Post by stu on May 3, 2012 21:57:43 GMT 12
Hmmm.... I'll have to have a listen at work when I get a chance. Perhaps popping it into Pro Tools can shed a bit of light. I'm starting to lean towards the quirks of the digital medium, do the original and online version sound the same? Cheers, Stu |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 3, 2012 22:21:28 GMT 12
I think the online version always loses quality over the original, as it goes through a few processes and compressions. I am pretty disappointed how a lot of the episodes sound online compared with the original recorded track. But this one I thought was ok.
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Post by stu on May 3, 2012 22:40:55 GMT 12
I wouldn't worry about it Dave, only a VERY minor issue that has me intrigued in what is a very well done episode. Remember, I spend my working day being very critical about sound and will pick up many little things most people don't notice. Zac, you should get a job in sound Cheers, Stu. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 3, 2012 22:59:28 GMT 12
Yes, no worries Stu, I really do appreciate your professional input. Thanks very much.
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Post by stu on May 4, 2012 17:24:06 GMT 12
Downloaded the episode, dumped it into Pro Tools and had a quick listen and look here at work. It almost sounds like a slight phasing issue and the scope would tend to agree with that. Basically, if you were using one mic then the result should be - when dealing with left and right audio tracks - a nice dual mono image. Our scope would show that as a nice straight vertical line as opposed to more of a stereo blob - or ball. When I played back the i/v, the scope was displaying a bit of a stereo image. There are a number of ways this can occur, normally in the edit. If in doubt, just use one audio track and mono the output for that part of the episode - leaving the rest (sfx, music etc) in stereo. A bit more fiddly and considering that this is such a tiny part of all your episodes it's probably more trouble than it's worth Like I said before though, nothing to worry about. It's very minor and I just had a professional interest in it Cheers, Stu. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 4, 2012 17:36:45 GMT 12
When I get a chance I might consider a re-edit and reload of that episode. I'm always keen to learn and goodness knows I have a lot to learn about sound engineering. Thanks Stu.
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