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Post by beagle on Nov 15, 2006 2:33:59 GMT 12
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 15, 2006 3:02:55 GMT 12
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Post by skyhawkdon on Nov 15, 2006 9:24:37 GMT 12
The best beatup's I've seen have all been done by the A-4 so it gets my vote. Have also seen a few good ones by RAAF F-18's and F-111's but none as good as the A-4.
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 15, 2006 11:42:58 GMT 12
On the Friday afternoon before the Richmond airshow, the Hornets did an amazing beat-up of the airfield during their airfield attack sequence. I'd just stepped off the train at Carendon Station (opposite the base) when a Hornet came screaming over the train station at very high speed and bloody low. I have never seen a Hornet that low before, and it certainly made my day!  |
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Post by beagle on Nov 15, 2006 16:51:06 GMT 12
ok, this time  |
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Post by beagle on Nov 15, 2006 16:52:47 GMT 12
yeah dave, I remember there being one in the Wing's magazine of the day but lots of people had it around work as well.
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 15, 2006 16:59:31 GMT 12
Jesus, even the worms are ducking! ;D
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Post by beagle on Nov 15, 2006 19:54:09 GMT 12
poor old worms were usually ducking from wild shots from once a year section golf happy hours.
A good place to get visuals of airshow practises etc but not too good for photography due to facing the sun most of the day.
From aircraft video sites etc the Boeing 757's have had a great rapore from many a crowd from their airshow appearances.
Maybe even better performances when they get their engine upgrades next year.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 15, 2006 20:14:46 GMT 12
That's one hell of a photo Beagle. Thanks for posting it.
I love the way the RNZAF's airliners have taken over the public-face role that Kiwi Red used to do for publicity, recruiting, etc at airshows, and still manage to pull it off with that wow factor that the scooters had. Where else would you ever see an airliner flown like a fighter? I don't know of anywhere that does it.
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Post by beagle on Nov 15, 2006 20:20:03 GMT 12
I suppose you could call the B52's the yanks show off at airshows the same as they are as big, maybe even bigger
wait till w eget the NH-90 and do rolls and loops etc
what we should do a spart of the B757 upgrade is put a retractable refuelling nozzle on one and a hose on another and do buddy tanking for airshows.
pretty sure have read somewhere that a 757 can be rolled
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Post by turboNZ on Nov 16, 2006 9:37:44 GMT 12
Well it's in the lineage....the prototype Boeing 707 (367-80) was rolled !!!
If you ever get a chance to see it, that video is cool !!
And I think a 747 has been rolled before.
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Post by beagle on Nov 16, 2006 17:47:13 GMT 12
talking about rolling and looping aircraft, I did hear words that the pakistanies looped their bristol freighters. I can hear and see all those millions of rivets pleading with the pilot, no not me, pick another plane. After a few quiets in a bar on base once, someone mentioned about somebody barrel roling one of the Air Force Friendships when we had them. Possible  ? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2006 18:13:48 GMT 12
Possible? Yes. The Dutch air force rolled a Friendships at an airshow at least once I'm told.
Did it happen here? Quite possibly.
I was working in No. 6 Hangar, Wigram when it alledgedly occurred. We shared the hangar with NATTS and our crewroom had the NATTS mech's lockers in it. So we were all quite matey, and several of them told us the story.
Apparently one of the NATTS pilots was always saying how he'd roll one some day. Just half-jokingly, typical crewroom chat. But apparently after a sea patrol one day this pilot and his crew came home seemingly shaken and very quiet, and asked the mechs to check all the stresses on the aircraft very carefully but would not reveal why. It was proven to be fine, but after that, the rumour persisted that he'd in fact done it. It was never fully revealed by the crew as far as I know.
So, we can assume it may well have happened. I can't recall which pilot it was. Some of the Nav officers then were F/Lt Dalley and Flt Lt Burfoot but I don't remember the pilots' names.
I cannot imagine a Freighter looping but it must be grunty enough as those engines can lift heavy weights from short strips. I do know the Lancasters, Stirlings and other heavies were rolled with ease, and the Lanc was even looped by a Kiwi pilot during the war. One of the best manouvres developed by those heavy bomber pilots to escape fighters was a corkscrew dive, so they could certailny take the stress.
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Post by turboNZ on Nov 16, 2006 18:48:12 GMT 12
talking about rolling and looping aircraft, I did hear words that the pakistanies looped their bristol freighters. I can hear and see all those millions of rivets pleading with the pilot, no not me, pick another plane. That gave me such a laugh !!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D I cannot imagine a Freighter looping but it must be grunty enough as those engines can lift heavy weights from short strips. I do know the Lancasters, Stirlings and other heavies were rolled with ease, and the Lanc was even looped by a Kiwi pilot during the war. One of the best manouvres developed by those heavy bomber pilots to escape fighters was a corkscrew dive, so they could certailny take the stress. Well we've all seen the videos of Bob Hoover and the Rockwell Commander being aerobatted. He said that as long as you don't exceed 1 positive G you can do it to almost any aircaft. |
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Post by beagle on Nov 16, 2006 19:53:57 GMT 12
so Dave, was just after your SEQ course. Who was running the place then, Athol Mc leod Yes the good old wigram days. Was a baggie there in 81-83 seen a few good flybys by the aussies. One morning 2 f111's came in from lake ellesmere area very low, next thing they were along the flight line of the trainers and gone. Somebody wa sstanding on a tanker and had to jump off. They landed in Auckland with somebody getting a telling off apparantely. We at S&S were looking at doing some t shirts with " WE PAINT THE FOKKERS " on them but the flt sgt at the time said no. |
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 16, 2006 20:08:50 GMT 12
Mr Beagle, I attended a high school about 1 km from Wigram, and I remember during lunch one day in 1981(?) an F-111 did three or four low passes over the base followed by a high speed rolling pass right over the top of the school. They were low enough that you could see the pilot and navigator's white helmets quite distinctly. Bloody fantastic!  |
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Post by beagle on Nov 16, 2006 20:34:32 GMT 12
I am pretty sure I have a photo of that in an album some where.
yes white helmets
sort of stick out a bit like aiming points, wonder why they did not have green like other ones, then again they probably have gone green.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2006 20:55:24 GMT 12
Beagle, I finished SEQ in May 1991 and was posted to Wigram. I had just missed Athol by a week, the week before I arrived Keith Scott was posted in his place and Athol had gone to Woody as a W/O. I met Athol several times later when he visited. Only about four weeks after that Barty went to Woody too, whch i thought was a shame as he was a great Sgt, and I got Bill Nicol as my new boss as they'd swapped postings. Other than that, I really loved the place and the work.
There were no F-111 flyovers in my day. We did get Caribous in regularly from across the ditch but the most frequentwelcome visitors were Sir Tim in hs Spitfire and his other beasts. I'll never forget the day his Corsair arrived for the first time. I'd just got to baggies bar on a hot Friday afternoon, and was supping my first pint (still in uniform of course). Suddenly whoosh right overhead. i spilled my beer. My mate Any Robinson said casually, 'Oh, that's the Corsair." Several expletives of joy later we discovered that he and other PTS crew were told it was coming. I didn't even know one was flying in the country tll then. We rushed outside in time to see another pass and then it landed for the night. Right then I realised fully why my Dad went on about them so much after growing up next to Ardmore during the war. It is such an awesome machine, unbeatable.
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Post by beagle on Nov 16, 2006 21:33:50 GMT 12
The Corsair.
Ross Mac kenzie painted it in the 3 Sqn Paintshop at hobby.
I was away on leave when it arrived but was back in time to give him a hand with a few things.
Met ray Mulqueen etc
Thank god it's wings were able to be folded as it would never had fitted.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 16, 2006 21:42:23 GMT 12
3 Sqn had it's own paintshop? Do you mean the GDF one on the Hobby apron? Or was there one up at the hangar too? Despite being based at Hobby for 7 months and Whenuapai about 6 months, I somehow never ever went into No. 3 Squadron's Iroquois hangar, and amazingly I don't think I ever met Ross Mackenzie. What did he look like? Was he short? I recall a short Corporal in 1990 ho I saw occasioanlly and never got to know.
I did a week at GDF as U/T in 1990 and working there then were Bill Billings and Leon Coy and possibly someone else who was away in the Fabric Bay, and Rich Harding and Gavin Norrington at the Paint Shop.
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