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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 25, 2006 8:43:05 GMT 12
Piece of Cake certainly didn't have the Brits cavoirting with the Gerries to see who could outdo each other. It was realistic.
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Post by flyjoe180 on Nov 25, 2006 9:00:35 GMT 12
No, not Germans versus British 'who's got the biggest balls' type thing, I'm talking about the flying under the bridge scenes. In the Blue Max two Germans tried to outdo each other in the air, and one of them hit the bridge parapet. In Piece of Cake Cattermole (sp?) flew under a bridge, and was seen by the pilot who he called a coward. So the 'coward' went out and attempted it only to crash into the bridge (or the terrain beyond the bridge).
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 25, 2006 9:10:00 GMT 12
Yep, I have the Piece of Cake DVD, one of my favourites
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Post by phil82 on Nov 25, 2006 9:33:03 GMT 12
...and the pilot for the film was the late Ray Hannah, and the bridge was at Hexham, Northumberland.
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Post by turboNZ on Nov 25, 2006 10:08:00 GMT 12
No, not Germans versus British 'who's got the biggest balls' type thing, I'm talking about the flying under the bridge scenes. In the Blue Max two Germans tried to outdo each other in the air, and one of them hit the bridge parapet. In Piece of Cake Cattermole (sp?) flew under a bridge, and was seen by the pilot who he called a coward. So the 'coward' went out and attempted it only to crash into the bridge (or the terrain beyond the bridge). Yup, your spelling is completely correct. I should know......  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 25, 2006 10:34:48 GMT 12
Though not on Ray Hanna though  |
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Post by paddy on Nov 26, 2006 8:48:40 GMT 12
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Post by paddy on Nov 26, 2006 8:52:31 GMT 12
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Post by FlyNavy on Nov 26, 2006 11:38:42 GMT 12
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 27, 2006 10:28:35 GMT 12
That is incredible!
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Post by beagle on Nov 27, 2006 19:18:45 GMT 12
fuel burn must drop after that load is gone.
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Post by mcmaster on Nov 28, 2006 23:52:48 GMT 12
One of my fondest memories of the kiwi A4s was back in the 80s i was living in Newcastle NSW and would often visit Williamtown RAAF base. One day I got there and 4 mirages were parked at the end of the runway, which was unusual. i was standing in the carpark of the domestic terminal when out of nowhere a A4 blasted over the terminal viewing area (and me) at what must have been no more than 100 feet and I ducked! His wingman came next and was a bit further away. I have never again been so close to a fast jet. Obviously the "target" was the mirages. I remember seeing USAF Phantoms from Japan with ZZ tailcodes at Willi around that time too. Later on in the 90's the A4s would deploy up from Nowra to do dogfights with the Hornets off the coast. This was great to listen into on the radio. the A4 callsigns were kiwi black, gold, red etc
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Post by steve on Nov 29, 2006 0:06:45 GMT 12
Whenuapai 1983 airshow was excellent with F18s skyhawks,f111s and mirages...The mirages were a quick jet and I remember the ground explosions from them in the mock attacks...how did they compare with the a4 in the ground attack role...the mirages always reminds me of the convair interceptor air to air fighter?
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Post by mcmaster on Nov 29, 2006 0:18:58 GMT 12
I think when the RAAF first bought the mirage half of the 100 were ground attack and half interceptors, later on they were brought up to same standard. i also think the squadrons used to specialize eg 3 sqn did more air to air and 77 did more air to ground stuff. comparing - at a guess i would have thought the A4 was a better ground attack plane than the mirage. I've seen the video of whenuapai 83 looked good (except for the weather) - Gold A4, Kiwi red, dump and burn f-111 what more could you want.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Nov 29, 2006 0:53:50 GMT 12
Welcome to the forum McMaster.
The gold Skyhawk was only around the aishow circuit in 1987, so the video you saw was not 1983. It would have been the big RNZAF 50th Anniversary airshow you saw. That's also the year Kiwi Red started.
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Post by phil82 on Nov 29, 2006 1:22:13 GMT 12
Aussie Mirages were fairly regular visitors to NZ, and for my money, one of the nicest display aircraft around. Fast and low they were brilliant.
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Post by steve on Nov 29, 2006 12:14:51 GMT 12
Yes I believe Dave is correct...I do recall the 83 airshow was really nice weather for a change...and boy those aussie pilots were so proud of their new f18s...I always remember taking my edest son 3 at the time with me....when he got upset with the ground shaking and explosions...I assured him there would no more then from behind the mirrages came in and they let of the largest ground explosions ever...i suppose some sort of co-ordinated ground dynamite whatever....I lost his trust!...Mind you he ended up joining the NZ Army
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Post by corsair67 on Nov 29, 2006 13:27:11 GMT 12
The Mirage IIIO was certainly a beautiful aircraft, but let down by lack of range while carrying a useful payload. To patially solve this issue, the RAAF introduced modified supersonic tanks which had bomb racks fitted to carry up to four 500lb bombs on tanks sides. A mate of mine was telling me that not long after the Hornet was introduced into RAAF service, a Hornet and a Mirage were put into the air to compare their respective turn rates. The Hornet flew around and around inside the Mirage's all day long! By the time the RAAF had replaced the Mirage in service, 42 (out of the 116 purchased) had been lost in accidents!  |
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Post by steve on Nov 29, 2006 13:56:21 GMT 12
My goodness that lose rate is a bad a the Germans Airforce starfighter...fully loaded the a4 (I believe)could take 7000ibs of bombs over a short distance...From what you say the Mirage could carry only about half that?
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Post by stu on Nov 29, 2006 14:40:05 GMT 12
Had to add my vote for the A-4 ..... driving a Toyota Hiace south on SH1 past Taupo airport in the late 80's and forgetting about the military exercise that was being held there until an A-4 came in from over the lake on a simulated attack run - altitude about the middle of my windscreen ! Very close to having to explain the brown stain on the drivers seat. I can't remember the exact year - was in my TVNZ days between 1986 and 1989 - but the image is indelibly etched into my brain  As usual, a quick search for "low flying" on youtube comes up with a few doozies ...... .... apologies if they've been seen before. Cheers, Stu. |
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