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Post by corsair67 on Aug 4, 2012 13:51:57 GMT 12
Maybe Air New Zealand should be more concerned with tightening up their HR processes, rather than paying someone a large amount of money to re-invent the wheel as far as the airline's colourscheme is concerned? Overpaid Air NZ worker keeps cashKIRSTY JOHNSTON Last updated 16:30 01/08/2012 Air New Zealand has lost the battle against an employee it sacked, then took to court, after accidentally overpaying him $70,000. Clint Foa'i of Porirua will not have to repay the money, the Court of Appeal ruled today in a judgment that also declined the national carrier the right to challenge an Employment Court decision. The ruling also awarded costs Foa'i, who, if he lost the case, would have been declared bankrupt. Justice Susan Glazebrook dismissed all of the points of law raised by Air New Zealand's lawyers, saying she agreed entirely with the Employment Court judge except on one small matter, which it declared would have no "practical outcome". Foa'i was sacked in 2009 when Air New Zealand realised it had been overpaying him for some time, citing a breach of trust and confidence. By that time, Foa'i had worked for Air New Zealand for seven years, starting on $11 an hour as a casual loader and cleaner in 2002. When a fulltime, weekday-only, administrative job came up in 2007 Foa'i leapt at it, so he could spend more time with his family. His new contract, which he was given only after he took on the role, was brief and did not specify his pay, saying only "average earnings". Foa'i said he had no idea what average earnings were but accepted it anyway. Foa'i excelled in the role. Documents show he organised staff days and events, including some attended by chief executive Rob Fyfe, who gave him rugby tickets as a thank you. He went from earning about $800 a fortnight to up to $4000, but documents produced at the Employment Court show the amount was different each pay day - for example, $1371 in April 2007, then $2724 in May. Foa'i raised queries about his pay with his manager and human resources staff and also visited the Auckland payroll office several times, asking staff to check his pay was right. The Employment Court judge said Foa'i could have a clear conscience because he "naively believed" his links to upper management might have contributed to the salary. "It was ridiculous, but it's what I thought at the time, that maybe Rob Fyfe would have pulled, you know, some strings or something, " Foa'i told the court. Happy with the reassurances he'd had, Foa'i continued on, moving out of home, buying furniture, household products, paying rent and taking his parents to Samoa for their 35th wedding anniversary. "Me, my partner and daughter were looked after, and I felt the need not to put a foot wrong in the job because it was all going well, " he told the court. While on holiday in Hawaii in 2008, he noticed another huge pay in his account. He rang payroll to get a copy of his payslip. On his return he was finally told he'd been overpaid. He was dismissed almost a year later. Air New Zealand argued it had a right to restitution because the money had been paid by mistake. Judge Anthony Ford rejected the claim, saying Foa'i was entitled to expect that Air New Zealand would not misrepresent the amount of pay he was entitled to. - © Fairfax NZ News
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 4, 2012 17:45:49 GMT 12
"it represents New Zealand to the world at large in which case people overseas look at the image portrayed by the aircraft and the staff and form their opinion of the country from what they see. "
But the airline is still going to be representing New Zealand to the world with an image, just with a different colour. Their name is still there, as is the koru symbol.
Personally I don't really see how it matters a jot to the rest of the world if Air New Zealand decides to change the colour they use to brand their aircraft. We in NZ are all very used to the brand colours because we see it all the time - but to the average person overseas at the large airports around the world I'm sure they won't notice our current/past aircraft branding as standing out any more significantly than any other country's brand in the line up of aircraft on the tarmac - it'll just be another foreign airliner to them. Kiwis there will pick out the colours as it's familiar to us, but most others won't.
The airline has had a bright green airliner, a bright yellow airliner, several black ones with ferns, several plastered with movie photos and others with rugby photos... They all do the same job, and do it well. Surely to overseas people the important part is "Air New Zealand" written on the side, not the colour of the tail.
As for black being the internationally-recognised national colour, of course it is. It is not just a rugby thing - we have the Black Caps, Tall Blacks, Wheel Blacks, Black Ferns and a myriad of other sporting teams who use black as the national colour. Our second national flag in black with a silver fern on it and is proudly carried and worn all over the world by kiwis. Remember too when we used to have the "Proudly Made in NZ" stichkers, they too where black and white...
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Aug 4, 2012 18:23:55 GMT 12
Our second national flag in black with a silver fern on it and is proudly carried and worn all over the world by kiwis. Well let's go the whole hog and make it our OFFICIAL No.1 flag seeing we are no longer part of Britain! ;D
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 4, 2012 19:16:20 GMT 12
I like the New Zealand flag that we have now with the Union Flag in the corner and the Southern Cross - mainly because generations of kiwis fought for that flag, and also because it pisses off the Aussies that we had that design before they nicked and adapted it.
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Post by corsairarm on Aug 4, 2012 22:54:04 GMT 12
Being a Hockey mad family Dave you could have mentioned the Black Sticks. ;D If we are ever going to get a new flag then the black flag with the Silver Fern wins hands down. The Aussie's can have a yellow flag with a green dingo, kangaroo, koala, crocadile or Dame Edna.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 4, 2012 23:10:31 GMT 12
We don't need to 'get' a new flag as there is no need to get rid of the existing flag and to adopt a different one. We have two that are internationally recognosed already, the NZ Flag and the Silver Fern flag - one is more formal than the other but both are fully recognised on the world stage.
We also have two official National Anthems, God Defend New Zealand and God Save The Queen. They are both officially sanctioned nowadays whereas the forymer used to be the New Zealand National Song.
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Post by Tony on Aug 5, 2012 13:13:14 GMT 12
Black fails to take off for Air NZ staffNZ Herald By John Weekes "Internal comments from Air New Zealand have revealed some staff take a dim view of the airline's black rebranding. Threads on the company's KoruNet intranet service showed irritated staff called the national carrier's new livery insane, gloomy and "beyond a joke". The overhaul from teal to black was announced to staff last month. Air NZ chief executive Rob Fyfe told staff: "Black is our national colour and it inspires pride in Kiwis." Employees, who post on KoruNet using first names only, quickly reacted. Geoff said: "We are not all rugby fanatics! Please give us some sanity in our lives. This rugby thing is getting beyond a joke." Doug thought adulation of the All Blacks was getting out of hand. "They should go the whole way and put an adidas logo on the tail," he said. Doug also asked whether an All Black loss at the 2015 Rugby World Cup would trigger another rebranding. "What is with this obsession with black?" said Catherine. "There are better ways to get the bank statement back in the black," Ken remarked. The rebrand on planes appeared to coincide with a compulsory black desktop background for computers, much to Bruce's annoyance. "It's shameful, gloomy and above all, totally impractical," he said. Other employees were supportive, or resigned to the overhaul. Eiao said: "Are we going to look at the background or do what we are paid to do?" Richard said: "Comments like 'We should have a say' are all well and good, but can you imagine sitting in a room and voting on this?" An airline spokesman said he didn't know what staff feedback had been like. "I haven't seen anything on our own internal forums on it." Fyfe told staff the first re-painted plane would be an ATR72-600 arriving in October. But he said the plane would be all black, so a new Airbus A320 arriving in June 2013 would be the first with a white body and black tail."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2012 13:21:01 GMT 12
I think people may be relating the black to the all blacks too much. The all blacks are not the only team to wear black in this country. The olympiads strip has been black in the past and still is black. The black caps, black sticks, blacks socks and tall blacks all wear black. The all whites away strip is black. We have adopted black as being the colour of our national sports teams, not just the all blacks. I think the new scheme is very boring and they could have done better with it, but the black does make it look pretty smart in my own opinion. They are just showing pride in our nations sporting endeavours. Respecting the past through to the present.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Aug 5, 2012 13:58:24 GMT 12
They should keep the TEAL colour and also put a small Maroro back on the international aircraft.
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Post by Tony on Aug 5, 2012 14:06:57 GMT 12
White tube? Boring! Looks like an unprinted toothpaste container. The airways are full of boring white tubes with pretty (and some no so) tails with their name (mostly) on the forward part of the tube! That is bloody boring.
The black scheme is fantastic. It stand out especially on the ramps at internation airports and announces the airline and the country! Fading that into the TEAL blue tail would be the way. Okay take away the rugby bit and possibly the fern that I can understand but at least the finished product could be classed as truely Kiwi.
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Post by gebbw on Aug 5, 2012 17:27:27 GMT 12
What matter does the colour scheme make, so long as they get their passengers to their destinations on time, safely and with satisfaction? you are right Dave, it doesn't make a difference at all. In fact you could say that they could have just left everything white with black titles and a black koru (or a blue one as they did with the leased 747-400 in the 90's). They would have saved a bit of money in paint I guess. But colours on airliners are fascinating for airliner spotters (and modeller) like me, and Air NZ has gone from one of the most beautiful schemes in the world in the 70's thru the 80's with the 90's eroding the stand-out factor to something pretty low key and basic today. Personally, black and the silver fern is really a brand for NZ. I like it as a brand, but the nations flag is more than that brand can ever be. For me it's our statehood and is not negotiable like brands tend to be. AirNZ have their brand, and can change it whenever they want, so if black is their thing, then good for them. I'm just not sure I agree with the connotations of black being the national colour. I quickly drew up this picture of a "retro" Air NZ A-320 (minus wings and engines - still working on that part!). Would do you think? I would love to see this one day! It would be a spotters dream!
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Aug 5, 2012 19:15:31 GMT 12
It would look better with TEAL on the tail. ;D
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Aug 5, 2012 19:22:28 GMT 12
And talking of retro liveries....how about this for something completely different on Air NZ's domestic jetliners?
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Post by gebbw on Aug 5, 2012 23:40:34 GMT 12
It would look better with TEAL on the tail. ;D Here you go...
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Aug 6, 2012 0:04:38 GMT 12
Love it! ;D They should also ditch the NZ suffix on international flight numbers and go back to a TE suffix. We could then catch TE2 to Los Angeles and London.
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Post by tfly on Aug 6, 2012 1:20:06 GMT 12
Love the retro TEAL A320 bring it on!
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Post by flyjoe180 on Aug 6, 2012 12:31:57 GMT 12
The retro A320 scheme is brilliant! Cheers!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 6, 2012 12:34:21 GMT 12
Let's see a DC-8 in the new black scheme for contrast.
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Post by ARU on Aug 8, 2012 23:35:51 GMT 12
I agree the All black scheme is very nice, but should be kept to a few aircraft only.....
My personal opinion on the new scheme is I dont like it very much, as has already been said "boring".
I was thinking it would be cool to see a couple of one off colour schemes for the domestic A320 in provincial colours. e.g blue and white for Auckland, red and black for Canterbury etc.
But money seems to be wasted elsewhere
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Aug 9, 2012 19:21:11 GMT 12
How about Air NZ deciding which 737 they will retire from their fleet last, and paint in in the NAC livery depicted in Reply #32, which was originally proposed for NAC 737s, but never used.
Wouldn't that be an awesome way to end the 737 era at NAC/Air NZ?
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