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Post by flyjoe180 on Jul 24, 2012 9:23:19 GMT 12
;D Nice one Luther.
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Post by Luther Moore on Jul 24, 2012 9:26:50 GMT 12
She has some good points ;D
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Post by flyjoe180 on Jul 24, 2012 9:31:29 GMT 12
She has. Most of which would rarely apply to a model. (just to keep the theme going  ) |
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Post by raymond on Jul 24, 2012 21:23:13 GMT 12
The workmate apparenty claimed that it cannot be an art because it was working with something already previously created, and not an original idea, and therefore was a "craft" - not "art".
Definition of Craft: an art, trade, or occupation requiring special skill, especially manual skill: the craft of a mason.
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Post by the.x.man on Jul 24, 2012 22:47:05 GMT 12
The workmate apparenty claimed that it cannot be an art because it was working with something already previously created, and not an original idea, and therefore was a "craft" - not "art".. Ok, so that line of thought proposes that the likes of da Vinci was only a craftsman - after all, presumably Mona Lisa was a preexisting person whose likeness he merely 'crafted' onto canvas... |
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Post by dewobz on Jul 27, 2012 11:37:04 GMT 12
Nowadays the art world certainly accepts models, including stock-standard kitset models, as components of fine art works. The photo is of a work of mine accepted for moderation for my Dip Applied Arts. My intention was to comment on post-war materialism and consumerism but of course all art is open to viewer interpretation. Check out the work of Australian sculptor (or object artist) Ricky Swallow, especially his earlier works using figures placed on obsolete electronic equipment. I have seen some 1/35 AFV dioramas I certainly consider fine art as in 'Spring in Berlin' (title from memory - modeller unknown), perhaps mostly because it said something powerful and I found it deeply moving. Children playing, perhaps for the first time in years, amongst the destruction of Berlin and a burnt out tank (once again from memory). A single model airplane or car or even many a diorama may not have the contrasting elements to achieve such artistic meaning? This may remain yet to be tested in the fine art arena? Perhaps someone will enter a scale model or diorama one day in the Walter's Prize or Turner Prize. Ultimately for me however, if the art world today accepts almost anything as art, then conversely I can decide individually what I consider to be art. I certainly consider a great many of the built models I see to be works of art. There may never be a definitive answer to the question. 'Art' as in quality of expression? Creative skills? Or art as it is loosely defined by the 'art world'? Attachments:
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Post by mumbles on Jul 27, 2012 14:27:14 GMT 12
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Post by lumpy on Jul 27, 2012 21:50:55 GMT 12
An " in the box " model , is the same as a blank canvas . Not everybody who puts paint on canvas is an " artist " , just as not everybody who builds a model is one either . But the fact is that some people take their skills to such a high level ( regardless of the medium ) , that it is art !
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Post by dewobz on Jul 30, 2012 14:56:33 GMT 12
Here's a link for 'In Bed' by Ron Mueck, one of a number of artists doing life-like sculpture in various scales, including extremely large. New Zealand's own Glen Hayward is a world-class exponent of this genre of fine art, having won practically every NZ art award bar the Walter's Prize. I believe his work is in the Walter's collection. However these artist's works and the likes of Fiona Banner's Harrier & Jaguar are not 'models' in the sense kitset models are. They are either created from scratch or utilize existing objects including, in Banner's case, actual jet aeroplanes. The artworks are 'made' or 'found'. The planes are not models at all or even lifelike replicas as Hayward's work often is, they are aircraft or 'things' utilized in a sculptural work of art. I guess the differences become kind of semantic too.
Perhaps partly what is being debated here is the question, "When does a model become a sculpture (or work of object art)?"
From each his or her own individual perspective if you think it is art then it is art. However if the art world considers it a model and not a sculpture or object artwork then I hazard a guess they - who are after all a select kind of 'we' - do not consider it to be fine art. As far as I can tell the art world does not consider an OOB kitset model the same as it does a blank canvas.
You and I might, which is perfectly fine, but they - this other 'we' - don't.
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Post by dewobz on Jul 30, 2012 14:58:59 GMT 12
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