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Post by frankly on Jun 10, 2015 19:42:09 GMT 12
A few faulty memories here. Te Kaha was part of the INTERNET TF and Te Mana was commissioning. Canterbury was also involved. Waikato has decommissioned the year before.
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Post by futurenz on Jun 10, 2015 23:17:20 GMT 12
The force structure of the RNZN needs an overhaul in order to accommodate 4 frigates. It is worth noting that when INTERFET took place the RNZN still had 4 frigates and the Skyhawks were still in service. I think its about the relative priority the population as a whole believes defence should get, because defence budgets have to be backed up by support from the voters instead of bleating from greenish looking stirrers. I guess they get travel sickness. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 11, 2015 8:42:06 GMT 12
Te Kaha was part of the INTERNET TF and Te Mana was commissioning. Can you explain this INTERNET TF please? I don't know what this means. Thanks. |
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Post by obiwan27 on Jun 11, 2015 8:58:27 GMT 12
Te Kaha was part of the INTERNET TF and Te Mana was commissioning. Can you explain this INTERNET TF please? I don't know what this means. Thanks. Hi Dave, I'm guess a Freudian slip and it's meant to be INTERFET TF - the task force deployed in the East Timor crisis. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 11, 2015 9:11:20 GMT 12
OK, thanks.
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Post by thelensofhistory on Jun 11, 2015 17:30:04 GMT 12
I think its about the relative priority the population as a whole believes defence should get, because defence budgets have to be backed up by support from the voters instead of bleating from greenish looking stirrers. I guess they get travel sickness. Yeah the problem is that their will at some point in the not to distance future be serious consequences because of this point. A look at the forces involved with INTERNET. www.victoria.ac.nz/hppi/centres/strategic-studies/publications/strategic-briefing-papers/East-Timor.pdf |
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Post by frankly on Jun 11, 2015 20:13:01 GMT 12
Te Kaha was part of the INTERNET TF and Te Mana was commissioning. Can you explain this INTERNET TF please? I don't know what this means. Thanks. INTERFET with a typo thrown in INTERnational Force East Timor |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 11, 2015 20:28:35 GMT 12
Thanks Frankly.
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Post by futurenz on Jun 15, 2015 22:40:12 GMT 12
Australia is budgeting 1.8% of GDP for defence, and targeting 2% in future. NZ has a disadvantage being far away from everywhere, but 1.8% of GDP shouldnt be so bad? We should first be trying to compensate for the years that we were lucky to spend 1.1% of GDP and deal with the block obsolescence we have at the moment. We are certainly not geared up for anything like a medium intensity conflict, and MoD still think we have too many LAVs.
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Post by thelensofhistory on Jun 16, 2015 1:10:56 GMT 12
Australia is budgeting 1.8% of GDP for defence, and targeting 2% in future. NZ has a disadvantage being far away from everywhere, but 1.8% of GDP shouldnt be so bad? We should first be trying to compensate for the years that we were lucky to spend 1.1% of GDP and deal with the block obsolescence we have at the moment. We are certainly not geared up for anything like a medium intensity conflict, and MoD still think we have too many LAVs. Yeah the option of buying Frigates that are built for but not with won't be available. The idea has been discredited by the cost the Australians have incurred upgrading their Anzac Class frigates. Also the declining international situation very much discredits the idea. Had the government began to compensate for the long period of gross under funding and reductions in capabilities in 2008 a figure a "sudden spike" in defence spending wouldn't have been required. A responsible government would have restored the RNZAF "air strike" capability as a starting point. New Zealand is just going to have to face the next decade military wholly unprepared and relearn some hard lessons about the value of air and sea power. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 16, 2015 15:17:55 GMT 12
The Navy just scored $235 million worth of heroin in a drugs bust. Once they've sold that they can put the proceeds into the frigate replacement programme.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 16, 2015 21:31:38 GMT 12
The Navy just scored $235 million worth of heroin in a drugs bust. Once they've sold that they can put the proceeds into the frigate replacement programme. Ah, but they tipped most of it into the sea (putting aside tiny samples to send to the lab), which in an instant made it worthless dissolved heroin. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 16, 2015 21:33:43 GMT 12
And you believe that? Our PC Navy would never do anything so ecologically unsound as tip poison into the sea, surely?
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 16, 2015 22:44:13 GMT 12
So you didn't watch the television news tonight where they showed footage (supplied by the navy) of the heroin being tipped out of the bags and into the sea?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jun 17, 2015 0:03:28 GMT 12
Nope. If that is true it's pretty disgraceful.
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Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Jun 17, 2015 0:34:10 GMT 12
• ONE News at 6pm on Tuesday, 16 JuneThe item about the drugs bust in the Indian Ocean, including footage of the heroin being disposed of into the sea is at 7min - 07sec in the news broadcast.
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Post by pepe on Jun 17, 2015 10:49:25 GMT 12
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Post by flyinkiwi on Jun 17, 2015 12:42:23 GMT 12
Australia is budgeting 1.8% of GDP for defence, and targeting 2% in future. NZ has a disadvantage being far away from everywhere, but 1.8% of GDP shouldnt be so bad? We should first be trying to compensate for the years that we were lucky to spend 1.1% of GDP and deal with the block obsolescence we have at the moment. We are certainly not geared up for anything like a medium intensity conflict, and MoD still think we have too many LAVs. The NZ Govt would have everyone believe that it spends 1.1% of our GDP on defense, but it doesn't take into account all the kickbacks the Govt gets from land rents and other fees which other countries armed forces are not subject to. The net figure is closer to 0.8%, and I think its disgraceful. |
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Post by macnz on Jun 18, 2015 2:31:24 GMT 12
New business model for RNZN - install a couple of ATMs on board the frigates and Canterbury. Send them north so they can offer to supply the RAN and Oz Immigration the cash at sea they need to pay their people smugglers. 18% transaction fee on every $3000 withdraw plus exchange rate fee for USD - could help boost fund raising for our new frigates.
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