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Post by aeromedia on Dec 9, 2012 21:12:20 GMT 12
Good work Dave. No I don't, do you? Haven't dug that deep yet.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 9, 2012 21:16:36 GMT 12
Nope, I don't. But I wondered if it was perhaps one of the Flight Commanders being the third aircraft. Someone might have to look up the ORB. As for the nose art, what's not to like?
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Post by Mustang51 on Dec 10, 2012 7:37:16 GMT 12
Pete, Perhaps if you don't like that particular nose art due to its size there may be another one more appropriate. I know what you are saying about a huge graphic on the side. On the "full size" original aircraft it would not dominate but perhaps on just the cockpit it may seem too big.........
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 10, 2012 7:48:36 GMT 12
NZ3501 had Popeye on it, being the personal aircraft of Fred 'Popeye' Lucas.
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Post by aeromedia on Dec 10, 2012 8:20:54 GMT 12
What a pity none of ours had near naked women with their legs in the air to take ones mind off the war !
Now those Americans, they had class ! ;D
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Post by htbrst on Dec 10, 2012 9:37:49 GMT 12
I was reading a letter in Wings magazine - I think its in the next batch to upload I should get to in the next few days - discussing the pro's and cons of painting the Warbirds Dakota with either the Popeye or Stork noseart. One interesting thing that stuck in my mind that the author pointed out was that Popeye Lucas had by the time he left 40 squadron, flown all of the C-47's with the strange exception of NZ3503. So i'm not sure that Popeye would quite be the right choice - besides I voted for the stork
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 10, 2012 9:57:32 GMT 12
Popeye's logbook reveals he flew only the following Dakotas: NZ3501 NZ3502 NZ3504 NZ3505 NZ3506
NZ3501 is very dominant in the logbook, being his personal aircraft.
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Post by JDK on Dec 10, 2012 10:29:01 GMT 12
I voted 'yes' after some thought.
Bear in mind that to non-aviation people, nose art is often a far more important way of relating to the aircraft than anything we 'see'. The RAAF Museum's Mustang has a shark's mouth scheme, relating to an interesting story with another RAAF example in Japan. The Mustang is one of the most famous types in the world, yet to most of the public, their reaction to (and memory of) it is as "the shark mouth 'plane".
The stork nose art should also provide a wider public entry into discussion of what and why the aircraft was used as it was, and provide a non-militaristic (not 'boy's green toys') angle to developing discussions when on show about the attitudes of the crews and their lives, for people (mums and kids being obvious) who would otherwise walk straight past it.
Of course it's Peter's call, but that's a case 'for'.
Regards,
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 10, 2012 10:50:33 GMT 12
I totally agree with that James.
That nose art, more than probably any other I have seen on an RNZAF aircraft, tells the viewer exactly what the job was - No. 40 Squadron's Dakotas delivered things - and they did so anything, anywhere, anytime. The squadron still does and has delivered all sorts of payloads into almost every country in the world. The nose art is a great way to sum up the role of military transport and with the stork and baby also add in some great military humour.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 10, 2012 10:59:06 GMT 12
Apart from the stork and Popeye did any other RNZAF C-47's carry nose art I wonder?
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Post by baz62 on Dec 12, 2012 15:52:41 GMT 12
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Post by ngatimozart on Dec 12, 2012 18:25:32 GMT 12
That was an interesting read. I wonder how those fullas are going on the Lancaster cockpit? that would be real interesting.
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Post by aeromedia on Dec 12, 2012 20:07:13 GMT 12
Sure have Baz. I've had a lot of contact with Bart and he was the source of my overhead electrics panels, and has other stuff I need to get to NZ economically. Including a lot of the cockpit flooring metalwork, yokes etc. In fact, I think I stumbled upon a way to achieve that today. Cheers
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Post by johnnyfalcon on Dec 13, 2012 6:39:28 GMT 12
The nose art (cheesy or not) brings to life the human element to me.
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Post by aeromedia on Dec 13, 2012 17:50:36 GMT 12
Being the son of a retired sign writer, I've been brought up on what sharp sign writing should look like. Problem with some wartime nose art, was that it was crudely and amateurishly applied. And that is true in this case I believe. So historic, yes, but I find it hard to stomach frankly. Compared with say the brilliant Hudson nose art at Temora, and some of the slick stuff on the American P51's etc. I have a real dilemma don't I ? I know I know, if I was at true historic aeroplane buff,I'd build a bridge and get over it, right?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 13, 2012 20:16:46 GMT 12
It's your toy, don't let the majority pressure you into doing something you don't want.
To be historicly accurate and still without the nose art you can say it is depicting the period after arrival on squadron, and before the nose art was applied!
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Post by ngatimozart on Dec 13, 2012 20:17:13 GMT 12
Pete, at the end of the day you are the one who has to look at it every day and if the quality of the artwork offends your eye, then in my opinion, there is no harm in a sign writers son enhancing the quality of the artwork.
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Post by TS on Aug 27, 2013 16:24:32 GMT 12
Aw well, I might. I know it's historically correct, but is just a bit corny for my taste. Maybe I'll be democratic and let the enthusiasts decide? Shall we start a poll thread? Sooo How are things progressing here we haven't heard anything for a little while..?? Just curious that's all .
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Post by aeromedia on Aug 27, 2013 21:07:07 GMT 12
Curiosity's fine. Not much more to report on the C47. We've had a very busy few months gearing up for the launch of our new Aeroview Function Venue. Also an exciting new aeronautical arrival happened on Saturday, so had to get the "nursery" ready for the new baby. Bits and bobs steadily being brought together for the C47 though. Hopefully will commit some time to her in the New Year. Stage one is to finish the paint strip and set her up on a mobile trolley. Still keen to track down yokes and any cockpit floor components.
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Post by htbrst on Aug 28, 2013 8:50:14 GMT 12
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