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Post by dakman on Oct 24, 2010 17:39:50 GMT 12
Just caught up with this post
Hey furyfb11 great pics the shot of
ZK ENC especcially on that layer of cloud
nice
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Post by baz62 on Dec 12, 2010 10:12:47 GMT 12
NZ1091 was another Harvard that enjoyed a long and active service life. Eventually sold by GSB tender number 022107 to W. Williams, Mount Maunganui and became ZK-ENC with W J D & S M A Williams, Tauranga in June 1978. At Wigram 24Aug1964: Two days later it appeared wearing a different exhaust system and undertook a test flight with this equipment. At the time, I believed it was an attempt to reduce the noise levels in response to complaints from nearby residents, but looking at it now it looks more like a smoke-generating apparatus. There appeared to be a certain amount of 'this is new, how exciting' about it at that time. Does anyone know the history of Harvard smoke in NZ, was this the first time this had been attempted here? At Wigram 26Aug1964:   NZ1092 followed a similar career path to '91, remaining active until sold by GSB tender number 02103 to NZ Warbirds Association, Auckland for $1000 on 27 June 1978. Became ZK-WAR with T T Bland & G S Smith, Auckland in September 1978. At Wigram 24Aug1964: Harvard NZ1096 was eventually sold by GSB tender number 022107 to W. Williams, Mount Maunganui and became ZK-END with W S Bell & R O Dahlberg, Mt Maunganui in June 1978 At Wigram 26Aug1964: I was going through this wonderful Harvard photo thread yet again (needed a Harvard fix real baaaaad ;D) when I noticed something I missed about the photo of NZ1091 with the extra long exhaust pipe. Like Peter I took it to be a test of the smoke system as apart from the flared end it is very much the same as the standard smoke pipe fitted to the Red Checker Harvards. And of course everyone knows that trying to make a Harvard quieter by muffling the exhaust is missing the obvious: the prop makes the most noise of all. And then I looked at the prop. It has SQUARE tips!!!!!! I had never noticed that last time. So maybe they were trying to make them quieter as the US put square tipped props on the T6-G for that very reason!! |
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Post by NZ1009 on Dec 19, 2010 22:36:05 GMT 12
Nice Harvard formation. RNZAF Museum.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 20, 2010 1:47:51 GMT 12
Wow, that is a great photo! Thanks for posting it.
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Post by SEAN on Dec 20, 2010 7:49:45 GMT 12
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Post by mit on Dec 20, 2010 9:08:09 GMT 12
Nice Harvard formation. RNZAF Museum. Do you happen to know the date of this picture? The reason I ask is NZ1016 seems to have a Mk2 rear fuselage, I noticed this a while back and no one seems to know why. I also have a picture of NZ1033 with a 6 piece rear canopy (therefore a early rear fuse as the rear canopy are not interchangeable). Cheers Mit |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 20, 2010 10:12:57 GMT 12
Great photos Sean. I love both the loop photos
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Post by NZ1009 on Dec 20, 2010 10:56:24 GMT 12
Mit - Sorry, all I know is that the photo was taken during Operation Roundhouse which I think was in the upper South Island. Not sure of the town below but doubt that it is Christchurch. I also believe that the City of Christchurch coat-of-arms was applied sometime around 1958? All these photos are RNZAF or RNZAF Museum Official. NZ1049 in happier times.   Note the effect of the exhaust along the bottom of the yellow band. This may be why some non-FAC Harvards look as if they have been painted differently on the underside?   Harvards at Birdlings Flat   Guess they were just towing it out after reconditioning it - looks like the group in the back are trying to come up with a good story?  |
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Post by lumpy on Dec 20, 2010 11:33:57 GMT 12
Mit - Sorry, all I know is that the photo was taken during Operation Roundhouse which I think was in the upper South Island. Not sure of the town below but doubt that it is Christchurch. I also believe that the City of Christchurch coat-of-arms was applied sometime around 1958? I think the town below may be Blenheim . If so , the beige coloured building beneth the tail wheel of 1016 would be the ( now ) boys collage . Things have changed a lot , but most of the streets look about right . |
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Post by NZ1009 on Dec 20, 2010 12:17:51 GMT 12
re: NZ016 Photo is RNZAF or RNZAF Museum Official.  Accident History for NZ1016 up to 1956: NZ1016 22-May 1945 Ohakea Collided pedestrian NZ1016 21-Jun 1952 Whenuapai Damaged wing tip NZ1016 14-Jul 1953 Wigram Undercarriage failed NZ1016 24-Mar 1956 Wigram Engine failure NZ1016 Previously EX194. From RAF/FAA lend-lease allocations. Shipped to New Zealand on "Waiotapu" in September 1942 and assembled at Hobsonville. BOC 22 September 1942. With No.4 (TAF) Squadron March 1949-18 October 1951. With No.1 (TAF) Squadron 12 December 1951-10 July 1952. Fourth Mk IIA to be converted to Mk 2A* between August 1954 and May 1957. To storage at Wigram July 1962. Declared surplus and disposed of through GSB tender 26 October 1962. No further details known. I have also seen a photo of NZ1016, taken at Ohakea, with the correct rear fuselage. The photo also shows a Mosquito and Vampire on the flight-line which probably dates the photo as being after April, 1951. So I guess the change was made sometime between April, 1951 and around 1958, possibly as a result of one of the 3 accidents it had in that time-frame? |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 20, 2010 12:26:03 GMT 12
Great new shots there!! Here is a great photo of the Ohakea flightline circa November 1942, from Noel Hanna's collection. This may be RNZAF Museum Official but I am unsure. It shows the Harvards and P-40's of No. 2 (Fighter) Operational Training Unit. If anyone wants a close up of any area on it please let me know.  |
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Post by NZ1009 on Dec 20, 2010 13:10:25 GMT 12
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Post by Damon on Dec 20, 2010 13:24:01 GMT 12
Great photo's guys.Thank a million for posting them .Lovely colour pic's!
Cheers!
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 20, 2010 13:34:55 GMT 12
Wow! Those shots are brilliant, and that artwork on NZ902 is really interesting to see. Is there any idea what it represents?
FE-T in my photo has no sign of the artwork.
For the record, of the 15 Harvards lined up in my shot, from left to right we have"
FE-F
No Codes
No Codes
FE-A
FE-G
FE-L
No Codes
FE-T
No Codes
FE-O
No Codes
FE-S
FE-Q
FE-B
FE-X
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Post by NZ1009 on Dec 20, 2010 13:59:01 GMT 12
This is how FE-O ended up: NZ988 - Crashed* - 26/2/43 – While low flying along Tangimoana Beach near the Rangitikei river, began to climb but struck a sandhill, turned over and crashed at 1445 (2OUT, Ohakea). Photo is RNZAF or RNZAF Museum Official.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 20, 2010 14:11:42 GMT 12
That is a nasty crash, and Sergeant James Denholm was killed in it. RIP.
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Post by baz62 on Dec 20, 2010 14:44:03 GMT 12
Wow great photos thanks for sharing them. I presume the MK2 rear fuselage was interchangeable on the MK2a and III Harvards, definitely the first time I've seen that though. Makes me feel better about my coffee cup with NZ1078 on it as it has the MK2 style rear canopy! ;D
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Post by strikemaster on Dec 20, 2010 15:11:08 GMT 12
These photos are great, thanks guys. I'm appreciating the ole Harvards more and more.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Dec 20, 2010 17:44:58 GMT 12
I have to agree with you Strikemaster. I have always liked seeing the Warbird Harvards and I think they are a great old plane but this thread in particular has really added to my deep appareciation for the type's long and valued service in New Zealand.
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Post by NZ1009 on Dec 21, 2010 11:21:38 GMT 12
Some formation photos (except last one). All photos are RNZAF or RNZAF Museum OfficialThis photo was taken in 1958 or 1959 and was taken shortly before the well-known photograph of this formation  20 = NZ939, 21 = NZ936, 22 = NZ941, heading out past Sumner. Christchurch in the background.  Further around Banks Peninsula  NZ1009, NZ1019, NZ1029 near Lake Ellesmere     NZ944, NZ902, NZ934, NZ948  Don't know the serial number but should imagine the photographer does  |
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