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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 22, 2017 12:17:01 GMT 12
I love that wartime shot of the No. 40 (or 41) Squadron fleet. There's a C-63 Hudson in the line up too.
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Post by camtech on Aug 22, 2017 14:19:20 GMT 12
There are actually 3 in the photo, Dave
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Post by Dave Homewood on Aug 22, 2017 19:32:59 GMT 12
You're right!
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Post by camtech on Sept 8, 2017 13:11:57 GMT 12
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Post by pjw4118 on Oct 21, 2018 15:17:36 GMT 12
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Post by ianbw12 on Jul 12, 2019 10:38:39 GMT 12
Wow, what a great thread! Can anyone please advise what the marking on the tail fin of some of the early (circa-1950s) NAC DC-3s are please? They sit above the flash / stripe with the registration in and seem to be a circle with lines mid-way through, placed on both sides of the fin. Are they an early NAC emblem of some sort?    Thanks very much, Ian |
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Post by tbf25o4 on Jul 12, 2019 14:24:26 GMT 12
Circa 1950s DC3's I think you will find that is the Douglas Aircraft Company logo
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Post by planewriting on Jul 12, 2019 16:44:54 GMT 12
Correct TBF2504. Probably the best images are on page 1 of this thread and particularly Neville Drake's colour photo of ZK-AOJ. Click on "1" at very top of this page to view.
The word Douglas is in red spread across the globe and if I recall correctly from the 1960s there were 3 DC-3s somewhere in the emblem. Interesting to note that while in this livery the Douglas emblem did not always appear. I tried googling the logo but didn't find a perfect match.
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Post by planewriting on Sept 16, 2019 18:20:13 GMT 12
Any idea why they would have removed the airstair from CAW? Seems like it would be a useful fitment. The reason the door was replaced with a standard door was it fell open in flight and it proved very difficult to shut in that situation. A consideration was that it may drag on the ground on landing damaging the door and possibly the tailplane. The full story is on page 80 in the book "South Pacific Airlines of New Zealand and their DC-3 Viewmasters" which I co-authored in 2000 with Richard Waugh. |
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Post by baz62 on Nov 10, 2019 16:15:44 GMT 12
The Air Force Museum posted a nice photo of NZ3553 on their Facebook page. Its in the last scheme they flew in (or possibly the previous one as the RNZAF titles on her are in a different position from NZ3551's) and taken from the starboard side. What I noticed is there appeared to be a small window under the word "Force". Its sitting higher than the passenger windows and I suppose about where the radio operator position would be. (I presume its that position as I know the port side was the Navigator.) I've just had a look at a photo of NZ3551 and she has it too just forward of the leading edge. But it doesn't seem to be on other Dakotas I've seen (yet).  800px-NZ050315_RNZAF_Museum_01 by Barry Tod, on Flickr |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2020 11:47:15 GMT 12
Why do they call it a Hamburger Door? I guess if you go out that door during flight, Dave, you quickly end up as minced meat?  It's interesting to see this discussion here when I only learned of the Hamburger Door through the YouTube series Plane Savers last year! It became something of a meme thanks to Mikey McBryan and his project. I'd like to contribute some photos and other material to this thread if I may? ZK-BYF Ten years later the DC-3 was moved to Ohakea, repainted in an RNZAF colour scheme as 'NZ3547' and placed up on poles outside the base as an advertisement for the Ohakea Branch of the RNZAF Museum ZK-BYF masquerading as NZ3547 at Ohakea 1994 In September 1999 ZK-BYF was bought from John Regan by a group of members of the Gisborne Aviation Preservation Society and shifted by road from Ohakea to Gisborne Airport in May 2000. When the Wanganui Chronicle shifted to a newer, smaller building they threw out a TON of clippings and photographic prints. I saved some aviation material from the skip and included was this photo and article (by Colin Rowatt) of BYF at the time of her "last flight" from the Ohakea plinths:  Douglas DC-3 ZK-BYF/"NZ3547" Ohakea Colin Rowatt 0698 by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Museum plane airborne briefly pubWC 240698 by Zac Yates, on Flickr ZK-CAW The aircraft was retired on 29Oct1984 @ 56282hrs and stored at Palmerston North until sold to R J Harding, Wanganui on 28Mar1985. Plans to restore to an airworthy status fell through, and the registration was cancelled on 10Jul1990. It's not great, but CAW can be seen at its "gate guard" position in this undated photo taken by my Dad on a grey Wanganui day from our front door:  Douglas DC-3 ZK-CAW by Zac Yates, on Flickr And a bunch of (again unfortunately undated) photos of ZK-DAK at Wanganui, again taken by my father. Note the Air New Zealand Friendship in a couple of shots.  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr  Douglas DC-3C ZK-DAK by Zac Yates, on Flickr |
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Post by vs on Feb 2, 2020 15:35:25 GMT 12
I remember seeing that DC3 on gate guard duty in Wanganui when I used to fly there in the school holidays in the late 80’s early 90’s. what happened to it in the end? The airport there has got very busy there now with Air Chathams and Air Wanganui increasing services and that new Flying school....perfect place for that....4 runways, ILS at Ohakea to use etc
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2020 23:16:46 GMT 12
I remember seeing that DC3 on gate guard duty in Wanganui when I used to fly there in the school holidays in the late 80’s early 90’s. what happened to it in the end? She moved to Taupo, first for a car yard and then (and still now) with McDonald's. Speaking of CAW: Passing then to Fieldair later in May 1971, ZK-CAW started work in the ag role on 22Nov1972. ZK-CAW as an AgDak at the Oringi strip 1Jul1976 and during the early 1980s Does anyone have any other photos of her in this version of the Fieldair scheme? I was recently gifted a DC-3 kit with Fieldair markings and would love to build her in this scheme. |
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Post by planewriting on Mar 5, 2020 9:27:31 GMT 12
Can anyone confirm for me please the crew member names aboard C-47 NZ3501 when it collided with a Ventura north of Auckland on 21 March 1945? I know it was under the command of Flt Lt D L Bade and that his co-pilot was Captain Jack Roberts. I gather there were at least two other crew members including a F.O J Ross. Does anyone have a photo of 01's crew that they can post to this thread or point me to a publication in which it appears. Thanks in advance. Planewriting.
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Post by errolmartyn on Mar 5, 2020 10:26:45 GMT 12
Can anyone confirm for me please the crew member names aboard C-47 NZ3501 when it collided with a Ventura north of Auckland on 21 March 1945? I know it was under the command of Flt Lt D L Bade and that his co-pilot was Captain Jack Roberts. I gather there were at least two other crew members including a F.O J Ross. Does anyone have a photo of 01's crew that they can post to this thread or point me to a publication in which it appears. Thanks in advance. Planewriting. From Vol Two of my For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915
: Radio range familiarisation at 2500 feet, followed by single-engine landing practice 4 Squadron, RNZAF (Whenuapai)PV-1 Ventura NZ4518 - took off at 1019, shortly after 1030 returned for a second run over a marker beacon and on emerging from cloud at 2000 feet 1½ miles SW of Wainui Hall collided with C-47 NZ3501 of Whenuapai’s Transport Training and Conversion Flight, which was on a calibration sortie and attempting to track over the same beacon in a reciprocal direction. On sighting each other at the last moment, the pilots instinctively tried to avoid each other by sharply turning to their right. As they hit the Ventura’s windscreen was shattered, the port wing tip torn away and the port engine badly damaged. It dived away barely under control, descending inexorably under lateral control only. The captain, unable to lift the nose even though pulling strongly on the control column and with both feet up against the instrument panel, ordered his crew to bale out immediately. Navigator Sgt R W Smith, wireless operator Sgt C Wellington, and air gunner Sgts I E King and R M Hall all survived with minor injuries or shock, the last named baling out very low at about 500 feet. Unable to bale out himself, the captain was fatally injured when the Ventura crashed onto a small rise in a Kaukapakapa paddock owned by Mr L Day, some 13 miles NW of Whenuapai. He died in the arms of Smith after the latter pulled him out of the wreckage, and was later cremated at Christchurch. The collision also sheered some 14 feet off NZ3501’s port wing and aileron, the remaining stub being badly bent upwards. Control was momentarily lost as the C-47 dived away to port, but by instinctive reaction, careful use of the controls and power, captain Flt Lt D L Bade was able to nurse the machine back to Whenuapai, where a high speed landing was safely accomplished. He and 2nd pilot Fg Off J L Ross, and USAAF radio personnel from the 71st Army Air Communications Service, Capt J E Roberts and WO (jg) V H Petersen, were shaken but uninjured. Bade was later awarded the AFC in recognition of his display of outstanding airmanship during the emergency. Captain: NZ1064 Flt Lt William John FARNSWORTH, RNZAF - Age 27. 2276hrs (91 solo on Ventura) Errol |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 5, 2020 10:40:56 GMT 12
F/Lt David Laurence "Laurie" Bade was the captain's full name.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2020 16:23:43 GMT 12
My wife and I went to a wedding in Russell over Waitangi Weekend and she was patient enough to allow me to stop and have a wander around ZK-APK at Mangaweka, here's a short video:
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 3, 2020 19:34:27 GMT 12
I received the following email tonight from forum member Kev Smith:   |
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Post by Mustang51 on Sept 4, 2020 8:37:07 GMT 12
Have spend a bit of time in CAN and enjoyed it immensely. One noteworthy was standing in the cockpit door with Jack McDonald as instructor and trainee doing assymetric approaches into Avalon. You have never seen a C.47/DC.3 displayed like Jack can......
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Post by Dave Homewood on May 24, 2021 15:46:27 GMT 12
Here is something of interest. I was looking through the No. 41 Squadron ORB, and spotted the following entry showing two C-47's arriving at Rukuhia upon delivery from the USA on the 14th of June 1945.  Rukuhia deliveries a by Dave Homewood, on Flickr The delivery date for NZ3545 on nzdf.serials is different from the above, so I thought it was worth sharing. I noted one of the pilots was listed as F/Lt W. Winefield. I wondered if that was F/Lt John William 'Jack' Winefield. I have a copy of his logbook, and sure enough, the record of his delivery of a C-47 is there in the logbook. Several things of interest with it. - The first is the squadron record has his initial wrong, but that is not too much of a bother.
- The second is he did not actually log that flight from Whenuapai to Rukuhia on the 14th in his logbook.
- The third is I note he refers to this aircraft as an R4D, did it get allocated from a Navy order?
- And fourth, the one he lists in his logbook actually became NZ3544, yet on the 14th in the ORB he seems to have swapped planes with Tom Mounsey (Richard Thomas Mounsey, who they have also got the initial wrong on).
Anyway, this adds a tiny amount to the C-47 history I guess. Feel free to add the details to nzdf.serials Les.  DSC02464 by Dave Homewood, on Flickr |
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