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Post by shorty on Jul 3, 2008 10:32:52 GMT 12
Thought I might start a thread with some of my photos I have squirelled away over the years. A lot of them I don't know where or when but I will tell you what I can glean from the back (or my knowledge) Best I can manage for this Avian IIIA is "possibly Capt Russell 1920+" ZK-AAN by Neville Mines, on Flickr Wreckage of Tiger ZK-AFX after crashing off Hobsonville 26-2-38 on it's initial test flight ZK-AFXa by Neville Mines, on Flickr and the last one for this post an unknown Proctor at Rongotai in April 1952 with what Proctor by Neville Mines, on Flickr might be a Messenger in the background.
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jul 3, 2008 12:37:44 GMT 12
The Avian ZK-AAN was active from early 1929 (Goodwin-Chichester Aviation Co. Ltd., Wellington) through to early 1938 (WFU as unairworthy). Nothing to do with Capt. Richard Russell who was killed in the crash of Avro 504K F9745 at New Plymouth 11Nov1920.
You are quite correct about ZK-AFX.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 3, 2008 12:41:29 GMT 12
That Avian was the Goodwin-Chichester demonstrator aircraft that George bolt took round NZ on joyride flights so it could be anywhere. See some photos on my site of it in Cambridge when he and Waikato Aero Club pilot Harry Lett was taking joyrides, here: www.cambridgeairforce.org.nz/George%20Bolt.htm
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Post by shorty on Jul 3, 2008 13:09:36 GMT 12
On through the collection we have the lovely Electra ZK-AFD. Don't know where or when (although judging from the security we can safely assume it was pre 9/11 !) Electra by Neville Mines, on Flickr scan0013 by Neville Mines, on Flickr and here we have an unknown Heron ,at an unknown place, at an unknown date. scan0014 by Neville Mines, on Flickr
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Post by Bruce on Jul 3, 2008 13:37:19 GMT 12
The first Electra photo is likely to be somewhere in the South Island - particularly Canterbury (Timaru perhaps?) Behind it is a black Monospar ST25 with a single tail - the Canterbury Aero Club (and later RNZAF) example. I would say the Heron is at the old Rotorua airfield as an educated guess - the background looks like pictures I have seen of the old Whakarewarewa strip. If that is the case, it would most likely be ZK-BEQ (ex BBO) which flew in there with the Queen in 1953. I dont think Herons regularly flew to Rotorua at that time.
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Post by shorty on Jul 3, 2008 13:53:15 GMT 12
Thanks Bruce, I meant to mention the Monospar and the Hawk Major in the background. Both Electra photos are the same place. Found my other AFX photo so here it is scan0010 by Neville Mines, on Flickr and then a place you Auckland types who fly regularly will recognise, Mangere! a line-up of Auckland Aero Club Super Cubs and also a Taylorcraft Auster V. both photos taken March 1957. scan0015 by Neville Mines, on Flickr scan0209 by Neville Mines, on Flickr
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Post by Bruce on Jul 3, 2008 13:54:24 GMT 12
Someone may want to enlarge / clarify the sign on the front of the Hangar (below the windsock) in the second picture - its probably the name of the aero club.
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Post by shorty on Jul 3, 2008 14:23:44 GMT 12
another type not seen much in our skies. Mind you using two engines to shift four people was never going to be cost effective. scan0016 (2) by Neville Mines, on Flickr
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Post by Bruce on Jul 3, 2008 15:03:12 GMT 12
Stu may be able to confirm, but that Apache ZK-BUO(at that time belonging to the Civil Aviation Dept) still exists and is based at Northshore airfield. I think it still may be active. (but treated as an older aircraft should and not dragged all around the country!)
Great cub and Auster pics as well. Thanks for posting them.
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Post by stu on Jul 3, 2008 15:48:28 GMT 12
Stu may be able to confirm, but that Apache ZK-BUO(at that time belonging to the Civil Aviation Dept) still exists and is based at Northshore airfield. I think it still may be active. (but treated as an older aircraft should and not dragged all around the country!) To quote the CAA register .... ZK-BUO - De Havilland DH 82A Tiger Moth DHNZ45 827 Aeroplane Wanaka Helicopters Ltd PO Box 70 Wanaka 9343
ZK-BUA - Piper PA-23 23-1137 1587 Aeroplane North Shore Aero Club (Inc) North Shore Airfield, Postman Road RD 4 ALBANY 1311 To quote my eyeballs a month or so ago ..... I assume this is the one you mean Bruce? If so, still very much active. Cheers, Stu.
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Post by FlyNavy on Jul 3, 2008 15:50:06 GMT 12
Bruce, I wish I had my CSI or FBI or whatever geewhiz computer wizardry which is available in fictional TV land but hey I enlarge that sign "Someone may want to enlarge / clarify the sign on the front of the Hangar (below the windsock) in the second picture - its probably the name of the aero club." and all I get are large pixels meaning nothing. ;D Are you able to rescan the photo at the highest resolution you can and then we can arrange how to get it to me or someone for further enhancement. A low resolution image remains a low resolution image (except in TVland or fiction).
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Post by stu on Jul 3, 2008 15:53:24 GMT 12
Clicked "post" too soon .... meant to add - really interesting photos Shorty. More to come I hope?
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Post by slackie on Jul 3, 2008 16:00:39 GMT 12
Correct Stu...and it flew on the day you took the photo...judging by Richard's old S1 (now owned by Darryl in NP) the photo was taken on the day of the much rescheduled Brian Langley Memorial Aeros comp....I watched it (PA23) depart whilst on the judging line and return a while later.
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Post by stu on Jul 3, 2008 16:16:43 GMT 12
Correct Stu...and it flew on the day you took the photo...judging by Richard's old S1 (now owned by Darryl in NP) the photo was taken on the day of the much rescheduled Brian Langley Memorial Aeros comp....I watched it (PA23) depart whilst on the judging line and return a while later. Ditto .... I was in TZG waiting at the holding point for 03 as it returned that afternoon.
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Post by tbf25o4 on Jul 3, 2008 16:28:40 GMT 12
the electra ZK-AFD shots were at Wigram in the background of the first shot you can see what was in the 1960s the chippies shop (left) and one of the old hangars next to the gym the second shot has it outside the Canterbury Aero Club house about where No.2TTS was built. these shots were probably taken prior to 1938 when the station building programme began
Paul
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Post by Bruce on Jul 3, 2008 16:59:26 GMT 12
Yeah, BUA... Know about blowing up pixels, just sometimes enlarged pixel smudges do suggest what is actually written (done it a couple of times before) and if someone has a big enough monitor it doesnt need enlarging! of course, if that fails, a big magnifying glass with the original print sometimes works too! Plenty of stories floating around the aero clubs of BUA's adventures in lives past...
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Post by shorty on Jul 3, 2008 19:56:05 GMT 12
Took the Electra photo up with maximum resolution. The longer word on top appears to have 8 or 10 letters and appears to end with "bury". I can't see any word above it and underneath it appears to say club. Logic says it could be Canterbury Aero Club but the buildings sure don't look recognizable. Any other suggestions?
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2008 0:37:05 GMT 12
I agree with Paul, the Electra shots are Wigram. I recognised the old WWI hangars (or as Paul says later the Chippie shop and Gym) instantly, but that two storey building threw me off in the second shot. Was it removed during the war Paul? Or did it burn down perhaps?
Great shots Shorty, I'm really enjoying them.
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Post by tbf25o4 on Jul 4, 2008 8:46:30 GMT 12
Hi Dave, if memory serves me correctly I think I read in a history of the Canterbury Aero Club that the clubhouse was "relocated" to Harewood circa 1938 which would tie in with the massive building programme at Wigram. Will check further
Paul
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 4, 2008 11:55:35 GMT 12
Thanks Paul. If it went to Harewood it's probably mentioned in one of Ramon Trollope's excellent Tiger Country volumes.
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