Post by ngatimozart on Apr 7, 2013 21:19:14 GMT 12
The PM has warned that NZ could end up in a shooting war against North Korea. he said that if the US and Australia go in to defend South Korea it is quite probable that NZ would too. If that is the case they better start spending some decent money on NZDF so that our people have the best kit they need and the best support possible because it isn't going to be like chasing the Taliban around the bush in Afghanistan.
Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 7, 2013 22:16:27 GMT 12
Is New Zealand still techically at war with North Korea? The fighting ended in a ceasefire, not a surrender, capitulation or peace treaty signing, so if the ceasefire of 60 years breaks down will we legally be back into the fight regardless of what modern politicians have to say on it??
No we were and are part of a UN Force that fought in defence of South Korea. So it is a mandated UN Force. The war is between North Korea as the agressor and South Korea and it's ally, the UN Police Action Force in Korea.
“People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.” ― George Orwell
Post by kiwithrottlejockey on Apr 8, 2013 1:37:21 GMT 12
From the Los Angeles Times....
Kim Jong Un is a pudgy punk with the power to create great misery
By DAVID HORSEY | 5:00AM - Wednesday, April 03, 2013
KIM JONG UN is an absurdly comical figure. If he were not holding the fate of millions of people in his hands, the North Korean dictator would provide us all with nothing but laughs.
He runs a country that, thanks to the ruinous communist policies of his father and grandfather, is an economic basket case where mass starvation is always as close as tomorrow.
He has almost no friends in the world, except for the similarly outcast nutcases that run Iran. His closest allies, the Chinese, are so disgusted with him that they have signed on to United Nations sanctions against his country.
And yet, Kim acts as if he is master of a mighty nation, not king of a hermit kingdom that survives only by imprisoning its people in an Orwellian alternative reality.
In recent days, Kim's regime has renounced the 2007 six-nation disarmament deal that was supposed to curtail North Korea's nuclear ambitions. The North Koreans have declared they will be "bolstering up the nuclear armed force both in quantity and quality."
They have also canceled the armistice with South Korea that has sustained a chilly peace on the Korean peninsula since 1953, and announced that a state of war now exists between the fraternal neighbors.
Kim and his cohort have issued a variety of threats in past months that are largely beyond their power to act on, and their rhetoric is as goofy as it is florid. An example is their pledge to "break the waists of the crazy enemies, totally cut their windpipes and thus clearly show them what a real war is like."
Though they have not been entirely successful at getting a missile to stay aloft even a few miles from their own shoreline, Kim's regime warns of nuclear strikes against the West Coast of the United States. In response, the Pentagon is beefing up missile defenses in Alaska.
The United States has also sent nuclear-capable stealth bombers and B-52s on practice missions to South Korea as a signal to Kim that there will be hell to pay if his bellicose words turn into action.
Kim's father, Kim Jong Il, played a provocative game during his years in power, but he was clever enough to know which lines he dare not cross. Foreign affairs and military analysts in the U.S., Japan, China and South Korea are not at all certain that North Korea’s new, unseasoned leader knows when to stop. Kim Jong Un may not actually understand his power is built on illusions.
It has always been assumed that North Korean leaders rattled sabers now and then simply to solidify their own power by stirring up the patriotic passions of their captive people. As warlike as they may have sounded, the old leaders generally did not seem crazy enough to provoke a war with the United States in which their regime would almost certainly be toppled.
The new Kim, surrounded by a huge army and a horde of sycophants, may not understand the precariousness of his position. Living amid a Stalinist fantasy as he does, Kim might actually think war would be a glorious fulfillment of his own exalted purpose on the planet, instead of a horrific, blood-soaked end to his family’s wicked dynasty.
It would be gratifying to see the pudgy-faced punk of Pyongyang meet an ignominious end. Unfortunately, it is not likely to happen without a cruel war that would be disastrous for Koreans, both North and South.
Kim Jong Un is a caricature of a tyrant, a person too silly to be taken seriously. Unfortunately, he is a fool with real power to destroy, and the misery he could bring about is no laughing matter.
KJU must go to the same hairdresser as Herr Himmler did before WWII ended so disappointingly for him. Though said HD must be getting on in years now, or perhaps it's now the son, Herr Cutz Jnr, whose taken over the excessively short-back-and-sides business.
Author: Swift to the Sky – New Zealand’s Military Aviation History Author/publisher: For Your Tomorrow - A record of New Zealanders who have died while serving with the RNZAF and Allied Air Services since 1915 & A Passion For Flight - New Zealand aviation before the Great War. Publisher of Gp Capt C M Hanson’s By Such Deeds - Honours and Awards in the Royal New Zealand Air Force, 1923-1999
Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 9, 2013 8:32:19 GMT 12
When he entered power a litle while ago, Kim Jong Un seemed to be very moderate compared with his father's attitudes. Now he seems to be suddenly ultra-extremist with his anti-American attitude. I really have to wonder what America has been doing behind the scenes to promote this, surely it cannot just be because of the annual military exercises or the sanctions as North Korea must be very used to that by now.
Mr Kim is just trying to show his people he is the "Great Leader" and show his will to fight....problem he faces is China is showing signs they are at breaking point and could cut the life string to North Korea...China supply the oil....Mr Kim would be a fool to wage war!
I live outside the box and think outside the square and take nothing as impossible.
Post by Dave Homewood on Apr 9, 2013 11:43:18 GMT 12
If he's trying to show his people he's a great leader he's going the wrong way about it. Taking his nation to the brink of nuclear war is plain insane. If he'd taken his country o the negotiation tables and sought peace while also seeking help for his starving brain-washed people then that would make him a great leader.