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Post by shorty on Nov 24, 2013 21:05:22 GMT 12
I posted a couple of photos of the Electra crash I took a day or so after the event.They are in my stash thread (somewhere!)
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Post by hamfists on Nov 28, 2013 10:45:08 GMT 12
That sort of rubbish was endemic in postwar aviation in many countries especially NZ. "Superior" training captains with big moustaches who flew spitfires and corsairs during the war would do things while training that beggar belief when compared to modern airline training..the worst example was the dc9 crash at mangere where the captain had been warned by many flight engineers not to whack the throttles down in simulated engine failures as the safety gate was not that strong but he wouldn't listen and that day he succeeded in getting one power lever right through into reverse thrust..at low speed and low altitude with gear still down.. ..that made a huge fireball in front of the international terminal!
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Post by errolmartyn on Nov 28, 2013 11:55:24 GMT 12
That sort of rubbish was endemic in postwar aviation in many countries especially NZ. "Superior" training captains with big moustaches who flew spitfires and corsairs during the war would do things while training that beggar belief when compared to modern airline training..the worst example was the dc9 crash at mangere where the captain had been warned by many flight engineers not to whack the throttles down in simulated engine failures as the safety gate was not that strong but he wouldn't listen and that day he succeeded in getting one power lever right through into reverse thrust..at low speed and low altitude with gear still down.. ..that made a huge fireball in front of the international terminal! I rather think you mean DC-8 (that crashed at Mangere in 1966) and not a DC-9. Donal McLachlan, the traning captain who died in the accident, flew Liberators during the war, incidentally, not Spitfires or Corsairs. Likewise, Ken Sawyer, the only other ex-wartime pilot on board and who survived the crash, flew Beaufighters then Halifaxes. Whether either man possessed a moustache, big or otherwise, I do not know.
Errol
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Post by 777219 on Nov 28, 2013 15:30:36 GMT 12
..the worst example was the dc8 crash at mangere where the captain had been warned by many flight engineers not to whack the throttles down in simulated engine failures as the safety gate was not that strong but he wouldn't listen and that day he succeeded in getting one power lever right through into reverse thrust..at low speed and low altitude with gear still down..
I know we are a way off topic here (DC-6 c/n 43127/133).....but that's the first I've ever heard about the captain being warned by the the flight engineers about whacking the throttle lever back. It was "standard practice" during training to move a throttle back quickly to simulate an engine failure during T/O. The DC-8 has no speed brakes for slowing the aircraft during descent so it was designed to allow the engines to be selected into reverse thrust in flight for this purpose. After the Air NZ crash, a mod was installed which prevented the outboard engines from being selected past reverse idle in flight, but the inboards could still pull power in reverse in flight for speed brake purposes. The mechanism was operated through linkages in the nose gear scissor links, thus allowing full reverse on all engines once the aircraft is on the ground. Cheers, Rex.
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Post by avenger on Dec 4, 2013 15:42:39 GMT 12
I flew some of those flight idle approaches in the Electra but as "off thread" shall desist from comment but do have some elucidation that would assist. Also flew the DC8.
I rather think you mean DC-8 (that crashed at Mangere in 1966) and not a DC-9. Donal McLachlan, the traning captain who died in the accident, flew Liberators during the war, incidentally, not Spitfires or Corsairs. Likewise, Ken Sawyer, the only other ex-wartime pilot on board and who survived the crash, flew Beaufighters then Halifaxes. Whether either man possessed a moustache, big or otherwise, I do not know.
Neither had upper lip adornment when with TEAL or AirNZ.
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Post by bnd on Jul 11, 2016 21:54:07 GMT 12
Hi Phil82, I think I was on that flight, if it was NZ 3632, left RAF Mildenhall on 22 January 1963 and took 21 days to get to Whenuapai. I was travelling with my parents (Rob Dickie RNZE) and distinctly remember the extended stay at Travis AFB a SAC and MATs base in those days. It was one of my early memories of flying - a huge adventure! I have one photo from that trip taken at Canton Island during refueling and want to share it, but have not worked out how to attach it. Can anyone help me with that? Cheers Blair
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Post by Ian Warren on Jul 12, 2016 13:24:46 GMT 12
Hi ya Blair, very simple to upload photo's and post to show, the links or specific sites to post, there are a few 'Photobucket' 'Imagehost' and 'Postimage' , I prefer www.fsfiles.org , specifically it is OK flightsim , but is aviation orientated and I post everything there, private photo to screenshots.
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Post by pvsjetstar on Jul 27, 2016 17:51:29 GMT 12
In reply to bnd:
Gidday Blair, Can you please send me you email address to rassie6@optusnet.com.au I have a proposal to put to you regarding the RNZAF DC6s
Cheers Paul Sheehan
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