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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 15, 2013 13:50:43 GMT 12
It's amazing, and a bit scary, how many experts there are on military firearms on this forum. The Government wasted that $35 million, they should have just posted a request for info here and got it all for free....
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Post by scrooge on Sept 15, 2013 13:58:21 GMT 12
Meh, experts- no-ones even commented about the spelling of Defense in the title...
*Delete this post once it become surplurfluous (have I spelt that right?)*
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 15, 2013 14:26:17 GMT 12
Yeah, sorry Phil I was talking tongue in cheek about the level of experts here.
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Post by phil on Sept 15, 2013 14:29:34 GMT 12
Meh, experts- no-ones even commented about the spelling of Defense in the title... *Delete this post once it become surplurfluous (have I spelt that right?)* I chose to ignore it. |
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Post by conman on Sept 15, 2013 19:09:38 GMT 12
It's amazing, and a bit scary, how many experts there are on military firearms on this forum. The Government wasted that $35 million, they should have just posted a request for info here and got it all for free.... Dave you could broker the vast technician expertise on tap in this forum for a nice tidy sum to the NZDF, could be a win win situation , we all get to play with some guns and it would cost the taxpayer a lot less than $35 m ( depending on what your cut is mind you  ) |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 15, 2013 19:25:50 GMT 12
It'd probably be more useful than them using some of the consultants they would normally go to too.
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 15, 2013 20:56:37 GMT 12
Don't know if weight is a issue for new light weight 155 mm M777 howitzers at 3420 kg and the new NH90 having a max under slung load of 4000 kg . This sort of makes the l119 obsolete which is probably the reason the Ozzies are replacing their Hamel guns with the M777. Both the 120 mm Mortar and 105 mm light gun are short on range the advantage of the 120mm is its use on high defilade targets and quick volume of fire it's lighter and has smaller logistical trail.In some parts of Afgan it was found the Valley floor to narrow and sheer slopes for the 105 mm guns to elevate. The advantage of the 105mm is its HE round is more accurate and effective compared to the 120mm mortar round . The point I was trying to make is this: would the M777 155mm howitzer be the most appropriate artillery capability for the NZ Army given its new focus? It's about the right tool for the job rather than the bigger bang factor or just because other armies happen to use it. It has to fit in with the operational doctrine and abilities of the NZ Army as well as the budget of NZDF. The quote above states that the ADF uses Chooks to airlift their M777s. Nothing about NH90s and they have them in their inventory. Granted at that stage the NH90 was on the concerned list. But would it be able to lift that load in hot and high conditions? The RNZAF certainly doesn't operate Chooks. I don't know if the M777A2 is the right for the job or not yet, and until I learn more, support the status quo capability but I think it is a discussion that should be held. Don't bring the Aussie M777 purchase into here because the Army and ADF asked for the 155mm Self Propelled Guns and M777A2s under Defence Procurement Project Land 17. Then the pollies scrapped the SPG part of the project in the 2012 budget (for political gain) and instead approved the purchase of 19 extra M777A2 towed 155mm howitzer allegedly saving A$225 million. It was a bit like the RAAF Caribou replacement project in some ways. Since the election it will be interesting to see if the new govt reinstate the SPG buy like they promised when they were in opposition in 2012. It's a totally different situation to that of the NZ Army. |
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 16, 2013 18:20:14 GMT 12
The Ministry of Defence have issued a Request For Information - Individual Weapon Capability - (RFI 4107-03) GETS reference #40103. The respond by date is 18/10/2013. I can't get to look at the tender docs because you have to be registered on the GETS website and I am not. You used to be able to look at the basic tender info there but not anymore.
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Post by richard1098 on Sept 16, 2013 20:38:27 GMT 12
Don't bring the Aussie M777 purchase into here because the Army and ADF asked for the 155mm Self Propelled Guns and M777A2s under Defence Procurement Project Land 17. Then the pollies scrapped the SPG part of the project in the 2012 budget (for political gain) and instead approved the purchase of 19 extra M777A2 towed 155mm howitzer allegedly saving A$225 million. It was a bit like the RAAF Caribou replacement project in some ways. Since the election it will be interesting to see if the new govt reinstate the SPG buy like they promised when they were in opposition in 2012. It's a totally different situation to that of the NZ Army. The SPG project won't restart until the US M109PIM program is up and running. I suspect government won't want the army to start another Super Seaspite like program like they did with the Korean K-9 |
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Post by ngatimozart on Sept 16, 2013 21:29:58 GMT 12
There is the German PzH 2000 L52 so maybe. The US M109PIM will hopefully escape the sequester funding axe. The US pollies have 14 days to sort out an agreement or more cuts automatically come into effect on 1st October 2013. At moment be easier to get Bill English to fund an ACF for the RNZAF than for those US pollies to reach an agreement.
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Post by machpants on Sept 17, 2013 11:34:26 GMT 12
Yeah, sorry Phil I was talking tongue in cheek about the level of experts here. I am personally an expert in everything apart from knitting! |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 17, 2013 15:18:43 GMT 12
As a jet fighter pilot I wouldn't expect anything less of you machpants.  |
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Post by baz62 on Sept 17, 2013 18:07:51 GMT 12
As a jet fighter pilot I wouldn't expect anything less of you machpants. Fighter Pilot? Nah Machpants didn't drive, he was the important bit: GIB. (Guy In Back) I think the pilots did the knitting.  |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 17, 2013 18:10:25 GMT 12
You know that anyone in an Air Force plane is a pilot Baz!
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Post by Calum on Sept 20, 2013 12:29:10 GMT 12
There is the German PzH 2000 L52 so maybe. The US M109PIM will hopefully escape the sequester funding axe. The US pollies have 14 days to sort out an agreement or more cuts automatically come into effect on 1st October 2013. At moment be easier to get Bill English to fund an ACF for the RNZAF than for those US pollies to reach an agreement. The PZh 2000 didn't meet the Asutralian Army's requirements (although some say that is what they wanted). The K-9 met/exceeded all the requirements. Perhaps this wasn' the result the Army wanted |
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Post by machpants on Sept 20, 2013 14:17:24 GMT 12
You know that anyone in an Air Force plane is a pilot Baz! I know when HMS Invincible is in a port, that town has a sudden influx of about 1,000 Harrier pilots in the pubs |
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Post by baz62 on Sept 20, 2013 15:40:41 GMT 12
You know that anyone in an Air Force plane is a pilot Baz! I know when HMS Invincible is in a port, that town has a sudden influx of about 1,000 Harrier pilots in the pubs Chap at work is ex-14 Squadron Avionics Tech. he said one of the Wise Owls on the Macchis the weather was crap so the got the day off. All the ground crew made it to a local pub first. A little later pilots wandered into the bar and asked for a beer. The barmaid asked "What do you do?" The reply: "Oh we are pilots in the Air Force.". She brightened and said" Oh thats a coincidence, there's already some Air Force pilots here!". Eyes peered round the bar to see the ground crew (in mufti) grinning over their beers. |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 20, 2013 17:44:37 GMT 12
Our end of course drinks in Auckland city when we finished our Safety Equipment Worker course was like that. Some of the boys were telling girls in the bar we were all No. 14 Squadron Strikemaster pilots. A few of us however were not aware of this and were telling the truth, that we packed parachutes and liferafts etc. Some of the girls questioned it and we twigged, so we claimed to be the groundcrew with the pilots who were drinking with us, and they fully believed half our course were knucks the rest of the night.
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Post by lesterpk on Sept 20, 2013 19:46:57 GMT 12
Kelly Logue (first female RNZAF A-4 strike pilot) was out with the rest of the sqn pilots in Perth when some guy in a bar tried the "I'm a RAAF Hornet pilot" line, I heard she led him on for a while asking all sorts of questions and then he asked what she did........
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 20, 2013 19:57:20 GMT 12
hahahaha |
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