Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 8, 2014 18:37:31 GMT 12
The acting Malaysian Transport Minister just told a live press conference that the news reports of the crash off Vietnam is not true, although now that they are hearing reports that the Vietnamese Navy are saying this is the case, they hope to confirm this and they should hear "within the next few hours".
WTF? Is the news coming by rickshaw? Why would it take hours for them to get news?
I don't think it matters what they say anymore. The facts speak for themselves. The countries may just be squabbling over publicity issues.
It is well over 12 hours now and obviously the reporters are not getting told what exactly is going on. We all know that the airlines and ATC etc would have known the situation within minutes. This may go the way of the Korean crash at San Francisco, - different cultures seeing things differently and reacting accordingly.
Last Edit: Mar 8, 2014 18:51:51 GMT 12 by baronbeeza
Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 8, 2014 19:03:59 GMT 12
I just think it's pretty naive of them to hope people will believe it takes hours to contact the Vietnamese Navy and get some sort of message, when we are watching the press conference beamed live all over the world right now on Al Jazeera. Communications are instant in today's world, it's not the 1970's any more. They could find out in seconds if the report is true or not.
There will be vessels in that area with no comms whatsoever. I think there would be a good chance that some fishing vessels may have even witnessed the aircraft going down. Some may have even starting recovering wreckage. The Malaysian and Vietnamese navies will both have vessels on the scene now.
While this work is going on there will be uncertainty over who is in control, who is talking to who, and more importantly who is telling the media and families the updates. I can see a delay on the command and control side of things.
This is not Erebus.... this aircraft has gone down in very populated regions and with possibly good comms and radar (satellite) coverage. Boeing will have reps on the scene now and obviously there will be an international police involvement. Many of these agencies have their own agendas and with a vested interest in proceedings will slow the flow of info. Politics will not be assisting in any way either. Many of these countries are not always the happiest of neighbours.
The airline has a good name though and I am sure they have done the best in assisting the relatives of the passengers and crew on the flight. There is probably not a lot else that can be done at this stage. The wreckage and black boxes will be recovered within the next few days. While this seems like a terrible accident we can probably be thankful that it is not like the Air France one. The investigation proper will be underway within days.
Edit *** Well I couldn't get that much further incorrect. We are now almost 24 hours later and still little has changed. Aircraft still missing at the time of this edit and media coverage all over the show.
Last Edit: Mar 9, 2014 17:57:43 GMT 12 by baronbeeza
Post by Dave Homewood on Mar 9, 2014 12:10:03 GMT 12
It is interesting to hear two passengers onboard the aircraft were travelling on stolen passports, both stolen in Thailand, one a year ago and the other two years ago. This flags up suspicion for the investigators that perhaps there was some sort of terrorist or organised hijacking behind this disappearance.
Hi: My name is Frank. I am a B767 F/O with Air Canada based in Toronto , Ontario Canada.
Questions have risen in my mind over the disappearance over the Malaysia B777. Getting information from CNN is nothing short of frustrating. 1: That region of airspace I would expect to be heavily monitored by various military satellites. There are very many regional hotspots looking for ballistic as well as cruise missiles. Surely a B777 would show up right from the time they taxied let alone on the climb and into cruise. Would one of those satellites not be tracking it right up to the point of disappearance? 2: I understand now that it was at the top of cruise which of course makes for a near max cabin... we know what that means. However would that not also tend to be where a fleet of naval ships might be positioned? Not to point a finger there likely is multiple navies in that particular sea. Would not one of the many ships all with there own capable radars not be tracking this B777 right up to the point of the disappearance? 3: The B777 is equipped with 2 Emergency Locator Transmitters as well as the international orange black boxes. Commercial aircraft and ATC agencies are mandated to monitor 121.5 on their #2 radios for listening out. The route of flight is likely normal and since the loss of contact many aircraft will have flown the very route and yet know one has heard any of the beacons. All beacons are stored in different locations and are incredibly durable. Malaysian B777's have datalink capability as well as cpdlc capabilities along with GPS. Therefore each aircraft is tracked by their central maintenance facility. I have experienced this first hand on my aircraft by receiving messages from both maintenance and dispatch about problems with our plane before we even knew we had a problem! So would not these facilities know when and where they lost contact? 4: Surprising to me at 48 mins into a flight... knowing the time of day in ideal conditions there are no seamen or other pilots both civilian and military that would not have witnessed this? 5: Their B777s are equipped with internet... when did the emails stop?
To me there should be no mystery where this plane is.
Someone pls enlighten me and thank you for having me on your forum.
Post by skyhawkdon on Mar 11, 2014 17:59:16 GMT 12
Great that we are helping out our Malaysian friends. From the little info we are getting in the media it appears the Malaysians are really struggling with the search. I'm amazed that they have so little idea where it went down. That area must have literally dozens of military and civilian radar systems (primary and secondary), from multiple countries. Even if it disintegrated in flight surely there would have been some primary radar returns of the falling wreckage? The last known transponder info and modelling of its trajectory fall to ground must provide an answer? It is all a bit odd. They said they have broadened the search area to the west coast of Malaysia?? Why? Do they know something and aren't telling us?
FWIW, this is being suggested already by various sites across the internet, as the conspiracy theorists come out of the woodwork. So far though, no-one has come up with a way that one can lose' an object that large in such a 'public' area.