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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 5, 2008 18:25:20 GMT 12
Thanks John, an welcome to the forum.
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Post by smithy on Jul 5, 2008 22:31:56 GMT 12
and a relative in Christchurch has his photograph album from the period when he was in the RFC. You really want to get a copy of that John, these sorts of things have a tendency to get lost from certain branches of a family after a generation or two. Plus it'd be great if you could post some pics here! Cheers and get that photo album copied, Tim |
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 6, 2008 20:54:09 GMT 12
I tend to agree with you Tim. If you can John, borrow it and scan them at a high resolution and make several copies so they are not lost.
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Post by 66sqn on Sept 16, 2009 7:28:59 GMT 12
A few more for your thoughts. Capt. John Maxwell Warnock 66 Squadron. www.66squadron.co.uk/biogs/warnock.htm2/Lt Edgar Henry Garland, Oriental Bay, 66 Squadron, trained with Warnock and Malcolm C McGregor at Kohimarama. Garland died 4/5/73 Surrey, England. PoW Holzminden. 2/Lt Ralph Arundel Stedman, NZEF 1914 Canterbury M.R?, Commissioned RFC 18/02/17, 66 squadron 24/5/17- 3/9/17. Born Timaru Borough 7/6/1895, father & mother English, died Oneroa, Waiheke Isld 29/10/68. Walcot Brett Wood, St Albans Christchurch. 66 Squadron EO3 RO and remustered as (Engines) Egypt. Died Fendalton 5/5/1948 Trevor Dudley Hall Alderton, kifa 16/6/18 26 TS Narborough, England buried Parish Church Narborough. ex N.Z.EF flying a DH4. Any additional information on the 66 Squadron men would be welcomed. 66sqn |
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Post by angelsonefive on Sept 16, 2009 14:32:47 GMT 12
Dave,
In your post #4 you mention R.Russell. DFC.
This will be Captain Richard Russell DFC, killed in a civil flying accident in New Plymouth on 11/11/20.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Sept 16, 2009 20:15:23 GMT 12
Great stuff chaps
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Post by illgato on Jul 22, 2010 17:28:34 GMT 12
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Post by errolmartyn on Jul 23, 2010 12:47:27 GMT 12
Illgato,
If you care to contact me at errol.martyn AT xtra.co.nz I can pass on some information about Hori Morse that may be of interest to you.
Errol
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Post by John Macilree on Apr 24, 2011 21:22:24 GMT 12
My grandfather, Edgar Thomson Shand, was an Observer in the RFC and was one of the three New Zealanders on Bettington's staff in the immediate post-WWI period. The following is some brief information I have about his military service: Second Lieutenant E.T. Shand; born Taieri 28 February 1891; sheep farmer; First New Zealand Expeditionary Force 1916-17; Royal Flying Corps 1917; died 15 January 1938. From: p.7 - Footnote 4: J.M.S. Ross: Official History of New Zealand in the Second World War 1939-45; Royal New Zealand Air Force: Wellington: 1955 Royal Flying Corp Personal Index number PI 7225 17 Squadron "On August 19th [1916] an Army Reconnaissance was carried out over the Carniste-Valandovo area [near Salonika], the BE2c machine being escorted by a two-seater Nieuport (110 Clerget) attached from the French Aviation. This reconnaissance machine was attacked by an Aviatik which was immediately engaged by the Nieuport. In the course of the combat the French pilot, Lieutenant Ducas and the English Observer, Lieutenant Shand were both wounded. They, however, succeeded in driving off the enemy machine and returned safely to their Aerodrome." 1 April 1918 - transferred to Royal Air Force - Lieutenant 2 February 1920 - relinquished commission with Royal Air Force I have posted some additional information about his civilian life on my home pages at: homepages.ihug.co.nz/~macilree/etshand.htmMy mother has a photograph of him in his RFC uniform and a relative in Christchurch has his photograph album from the period when he was in the RFC. I have now scanned the photo of Edgar Shand wearing his RFC uniform and posted it on my weblog at: macilree.blogspot.com/2011/04/my-grandfather-edgar-thomson-shand-rfc.htmlI have also established using Papers Past that the action I have quoted took place in August 1916 and not 1917. |
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Post by John Macilree on Nov 6, 2011 8:55:32 GMT 12
Thanks to Dr Don MacKay, who is currently involved in producing a history of the Otago Mounted Rifles, for pointing me to a couple of newspaper accounts of a talk my grandfather Edgar Shand gave of his RFC combat experience. One report is in the 20 July 1917 Evening Post and the other headed "Fight at 11,000 feet" in the 2 August 1917 Poverty Bay Herald. I have added the Papers Past links to these to the weblog post at: macilree.blogspot.com/2011/04/my-grandfather-edgar-thomson-shand-rfc.html |
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Post by praxis on Jul 9, 2012 21:27:49 GMT 12
In 1965 a dinner of WW1 airmen was held in Napier. I guess they were all aged around 70 or more at the time. Those attending signed a menu. Here is the list of 37 names. They have been compiled off their signatures so there might be the odd mis-spelling. Some of the names have already been posted but for completeness I will give then all.
Gerry Stedman
George A Nichols
R Nimon
LW Lorrigan
Jarvis Nelson
AM Hyslop
Leonard Isitt
Garfield Stewart (wellknown locally as Ed Stewart)
George Carter
Roy Harris
D Checley
H Williamson
Harry Thornton
Charles Masson
J Clarence Griffith
TJ Leighs
HRT Humphries
FG Bursolem
JG McVernon
Lawson Field
Neville F Harston
RA Sheriff
GJ Wilde
WH Boadle
JWS McPherson
Gordon Hoskin
Harold Beamish
RJ Sinclair
P Fowler
KL Caldwell
E Ruddenklau
AR Kingsford
A Russell
A de Bath Brandon
HL Bayly
RJ Thompson
Ian J Keith
Names like Sir Leonard Isitt, Grid Caldwell and Lawson Field are well known. Harold Beamish DSC was RNAS and credited with 11 victories. Ed Stewart, R Nimon and Neville Harston became well known business names in Napier/Hastings. Shorty Fowler flew Avro 504K's up and down the country in the 1920's before (I think) opening a garage in Palmerston North. I found a story on the web which said that AR Kingsford became a well known photographer in Nelson.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 9, 2012 21:39:17 GMT 12
Quite a list there. Wat an event that must have been.
Reg Kingsford flew night fighters over London - from memory DH-2's - my Dad knew his son Hugh and grandson Adrian - who I have seen credited with inventing the UAV by the way. They certainly were mounting video cameras into r/c models back in the 1980's.
Arthur de Bath Brandon also flew night fighters, and shot down a Zeppelin.
Ian Keith and Gerry Stedman were well known instructors between the wars and both members of the NZAF.
Ron Sinclair was a big name in WWII commanding various stations including Levin, Nelson, Fiji and Woodbourne at different times.
George Carter was an engineer who flew, rather than a pilot. he worked for the Railways Department in the 1930's and when the TAF formed he was the Wellington (T) Squadron's Engineering Officer.
Was Lawson Field from the WWI era or just present because he was a big identity?
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Post by Peter Lewis on Jul 10, 2012 11:25:45 GMT 12
A R Kingsford wrote a book about his flying experiences - Night raiders of the Air
It was republished relatively recently, so should be available.
He ended the war night-flying in FE2s, hence the title of the book.
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Post by nuuumannn on Jul 10, 2012 18:48:42 GMT 12
Just seen your mention of Brandon, Dave - snap, although he didn't actually get credit for shooting down any Zeppelins. Flew with No.39 Home Defence Sqn and intercepted two Zeppelins over England, L 15 and L 33 in April and September 1916 respectively. Both were brought down by AA fire, but on L 33 Brandon's shooting punctured a fuel tank. He received a DSO for his role in L 33's destruction and a Military Cross for dropping ranken darts (not bombs) on L 15. He became a lawyer in Wellington post war.
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Post by praxis on Jul 10, 2012 20:06:50 GMT 12
Ross Ewing and Ross McPherson's book "The history of New Zealand Aviation" states at p55 that:
"Almost 1,000 New Zealanders served in the British air services - the Royal Flying Corps, the Royal Naval Air Service, the Australian Flying Corps, and the Royal Air Force - during the First World War."
So I guess the list has a way to go yet. Here's a few more names.
From the Ewing/McPherson book; Air Marshall Sir Charles Roderick Carr, Flt Lt Ernest Taniwha-Matarewha Sutherland, Capt Frank Nuttall, Grp Capt Hugh Reilly and Tom Wilkes.
From "Tiger Squadron" by Ira (Taffy) Jones; Keith Murray - CO of No 10 Sqn. Pilots in 74 "Tiger" Sqn - RH Gray (Wellington), ST Stidolph (Wellington), Wallace Burn (previously listed), Tom Wilkes.
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Post by Dave Homewood on Jul 10, 2012 20:40:44 GMT 12
I am sure a much more definitive list of men than this thread can provide will become available when Errol Martyn's book of NZ WWI aviation history comes out in the future. That should be great!
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Post by pauld on Jan 9, 2013 10:52:34 GMT 12
Another one, C.H HARGEST brother of Brigadier James Hargest CBE DSO MC who was a POW in WW2 and was later KIA.
Anyone got anything on him? a friend has his RFC cap and a photo...
Regards
Paul D
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Post by errolmartyn on Jan 9, 2013 13:08:12 GMT 12
Another one, C.H HARGEST brother of Brigadier James Hargest CBE DSO MC who was a POW in WW2 and was later KIA. Anyone got anything on him? a friend has his RFC cap and a photo... Regards Paul D Paul, Charles Harold Hargest Born Gore 19 Dec 1897, son of James and Mary Hargest Admitted to Mandeville School 1904 Admitted to Gore Main School 1911 Passed his Royal Aero Club Aviator's Certificate tests at Sockburn 18 Jul 1918 Embarked on the Ruahine for UK and RAF on 17 Aug 1918. Disembarked London 29 Oct 1918. Posted to CDD [Cadet Distribution Depot, from memory] 30 Oct 1918 Allotted RAF service number 316546 in rank of Cadet Discharged from the RAF on 19 Dec 18 as ‘unsuitable as aviation candidate’ Not commissioned embarked Oxfordshire on 20 Dec 1918 arrived back in New Zealand on 2 Feb 1919 Married Edith Esther Young 1925 Later company secretary for Mataura Dairy Company Died 29 Sep 1955 Paul, I think your friend already has this information, passed from me to him via a third party. Errol |
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Post by pauld on Jan 10, 2013 9:29:47 GMT 12
Thanks Errol,
Interesting that he was deemed unsuitable as "aviation candidate" while my friend has a Officers hat belonging to this chap. Wonder if he upset the "Boss" ( maybe by buzzing the airfield)
Now i wonder if he saw WW2 service?
Many thanks
Paul D
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Post by errolmartyn on Jan 10, 2013 9:52:23 GMT 12
Paul,
No buzzing, as he had not completed ground training in the UK, let along learned flying there.
May have served in WW2 but not with the RNZAF.
The officer's cap may actually be a cap worn when he was a cadet?
Errol
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